LOL. I think you have that backwards. I seriously don't understand how anyone can come away from that game thinking Stafford is a championship caliber QB. As Felix said, he is what he is. Any chance of a Super Bowl will have nothing to do with Stafford.
I dont know about nothing...it wont be on his back, but he will have to play well....
Fair enough. I guess I just feel like the guy that has the highest cap hit in the entire NFL should be able to ice a game that is pretty much in hand. Not asking for much.
Does he? I saw something on ESPN a while back and after 1 year Stafford is 10th in Avg/yr....so not sure why youre so hung up on 1 year....next year he'll be 15th or so, the year after 20+, etc....thats how contracts in the NFL work now days...look at is as a whole, not the immediate...
Does he? I saw something on ESPN a while back and after 1 year Stafford is 10th in Avg/yr....so not sure why youre so hung up on 1 year....next year he'll be 15th or so, the year after 20+, etc....thats how contracts in the NFL work now days...look at is as a whole, not the immediate...
Next year is only slightly better as he is 5th overall but still a $31.5M hit.
Your argument is weak and holds no merit since the Lions have almost $18 million in cap space. You are just complaining to complain because of your prejudices.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 23, 2019 7:06:59 GMT -6
Who cares what his cap hit is this year. It hasn’t hindered them from doing anything.
That said, he had some bad misses yesterday. In the end, they beat a quality opponent on the road. Those are hard to come by and Lions are going to go into bye at worst(and likely)2-1-1. Think everyone would call that a win.
Flowers definitely was. Davis call didn't surprise me. The Flowers call might have been the make-up call for the missed face mask.
What was Davis supposed to do. He lets him catch that and it’s toe tap and a catch. Only play he had was to separate him from the ball. Was a clean hit with shoulder.
Was not a sharp day for refs. Both teams have plenty to complain about.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 23, 2019 7:32:21 GMT -6
I thought the PI challenge was a good one, too. Refs swallowed whistle because Stafford just chucked it up. Defender made no play on the ball and hindered receiver from coming back to make a play on it. That’s a regular play and good chance they’re throwing the flag.
What was Davis supposed to do. He lets him catch that and it’s toe tap and a catch. Only play he had was to separate him from the ball. Was a clean hit with shoulder.
What was Davis supposed to do. He lets him catch that and it’s toe tap and a catch. Only play he had was to separate him from the ball. Was a clean hit with shoulder.
I thought he led with helmet but might be wrong.
Possible, though I saw more shoulder contact. Problem is they called him for hit on defenseless receiver.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 23, 2019 10:19:59 GMT -6
Philly’s run D is legit, but yeah the inability to establish a consistent run game is frustrating given resources. It doesn’t seem to be one guy that is the problem, group as whole isn’t consistent. Jeff Davidson does not have a great history as an OL coach.
I’d also like to see some imagination with run game. 4th quarter of run, run, pass, over and over makes it easy for D. This goes back to Patricia and I think the style of game he wants to play though.
Philly’s run D is legit, but yeah the inability to establish a consistent run game is frustrating given resources. It doesn’t seem to be one guy that is the problem, group as whole isn’t consistent. Jeff Davidson does not have a great history as an OL coach.
I’d also like to see some imagination with run game. 4th quarter of run, run, pass, over and over makes it easy for D. This goes back to Patricia and I think the style of game he wants to play though.
I'm not down on the run game. I thinks it's there, just defenses are not going to let Kerryon get going and make Stafford do it with his arm. It was great to see the run game execute in short yardage situations vs Philly. Stafford has had success downfield more because it seems defenses are putting guys on the line to stop the run and take away the TE more. The OL has pass protected well last two weeks. There has been opportunity in the pass game because I think this offense has good balance for change. They have WR,TEs, and RBs that can all make plays which makes this offense hard to stop this far.
Philly’s run D is legit, but yeah the inability to establish a consistent run game is frustrating given resources. It doesn’t seem to be one guy that is the problem, group as whole isn’t consistent. Jeff Davidson does not have a great history as an OL coach.
I’d also like to see some imagination with run game. 4th quarter of run, run, pass, over and over makes it easy for D. This goes back to Patricia and I think the style of game he wants to play though.
I'm not down on the run game. I thinks it's there, just defenses are not going to let Kerryon get going and make Stafford do it with his arm. It was great to see the run game execute in short yardage situations vs Philly. Stafford has had success downfield more because it seems defenses are putting guys on the line to stop the run and take away the TE more. The OL has pass protected well last two weeks. There has been opportunity in the pass game because I think this offense has good balance for change. They have WR,TEs, and RBs that can all make plays which makes this offense hard to stop this far.
They need a little less predictability in run game. Kerryon is running into a ton of 7 and 8 man boxes and I think part of that is the Lions are one of the heaviest 1st down run teams in league right now. They seek to mix it up more early, but if they get a lead. Late in game it’s run, run, pass. Think almost all or all drives in 4th quarter went that way.
I don’t think that’s 100% of Bevell thing. I think Patricia wants to play it conservative with a lead.
I'm not down on the run game. I thinks it's there, just defenses are not going to let Kerryon get going and make Stafford do it with his arm. It was great to see the run game execute in short yardage situations vs Philly. Stafford has had success downfield more because it seems defenses are putting guys on the line to stop the run and take away the TE more. The OL has pass protected well last two weeks. There has been opportunity in the pass game because I think this offense has good balance for change. They have WR,TEs, and RBs that can all make plays which makes this offense hard to stop this far.
They need a little less predictability in run game. Kerryon is running into a ton of 7 and 8 man boxes and I think part of that is the Lions are one of the heaviest 1st down run teams in league right now. They seek to mix it up more early, but if they get a lead. Late in game it’s run, run, pass. Think almost all or all drives in 4th quarter went that way.
I don’t think that’s 100% of Bevell thing. I think Patricia wants to play it conservative with a lead.
Im not sure if they are being predictable as much as defenses are crowding the line. Defenses are making Stafford beat them. The Lions are sticking with the run to keep the defenses honest and committing defenders to it to loosen coverage's more downfield. This is why we are seeing Jones and Golladay have good games and the run games and TEs are limited right now. The Lions offense is becoming balanced and hard to defend. Defense is getting better every game. If they can stay healthy and Patricia doesn't get too stupid with game management things could start to get interesting.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 24, 2019 15:40:04 GMT -6
Running into an 8-man box repeatedly doesn’t loosen anything up. It creates more 2nd and 3rd long situations which limits the offense as a whole. Only a handful of teams run more on first down and the Lions have one of the lowest YPC on 1st down.
Running into an 8-man box repeatedly doesn’t loosen anything up. It creates more 2nd and 3rd long situations which limits the offense as a whole. Only a handful of teams run more on first down and the Lions have one of the lowest YPC on 1st down.
When your a play action pass ...bootleg heavy scheme on offense you need to keep running the ball.
Those tendencies help you when you run a well timed play action pass when you need one. They always run into a 8 man box because thats what the defense always runs because they fear the run game. This is exactly what Bevell wants because the pass game is there when you want it to. You cant just stop running the ball because a defense puts 8 in the box when your a play action offense. The Lions did run on some second and longs and third and shorts with some success. I'm not buying this argument because Kerryon tweated something, this is a balanced offense and defenses know Kerryon averaged 5.4 YPC last season and they are committed to stop him. This is exactly what they want the defense TO DO, the whole purpose of this scheme on offense is to have them play 8 in the box so you can run play action. Or if they loosen coverage and drop defenders on D then they can run the ball. So far we have seen 8 in the box, so the pass game is taking advantage of it. If I was a DC I would want Stafford to beat me and not the running backs. Stafford has had issues being consistent, so far this season has has turned the ball over a few times and defenses want him to win the games with his arm, which gives them a better chance versus Kerryon rushing for 150 yards. But you still need to run the ball and keep the defense where you want them.
Running into an 8-man box repeatedly doesn’t loosen anything up. It creates more 2nd and 3rd long situations which limits the offense as a whole. Only a handful of teams run more on first down and the Lions have one of the lowest YPC on 1st down.
When your a play action pass ...bootleg heavy scheme on offense you need to keep running the ball.
Those tendencies help you when you run a well timed play action pass when you need one. They always run into a 8 man box because thats what the defense always runs because they fear the run game. This is exactly what Bevell wants because the pass game is there when you want it to. You cant just stop running the ball because a defense puts 8 in the box when your a play action offense. The Lions did run on some second and longs and third and shorts with some success. I'm not buying this argument because Kerryon tweated something, this is a balanced offense and defenses know Kerryon averaged 5.4 YPC last season and they are committed to stop him. This is exactly what they want the defense TO DO, the whole purpose of this scheme on offense is to have them play 8 in the box so you can run play action. Or if they loosen coverage and drop defenders on D then they can run the ball. So far we have seen 8 in the box, so the pass game is taking advantage of it. If I was a DC I would want Stafford to beat me and not the running backs. Stafford has had issues being consistent, so far this season has has turned the ball over a few times and defenses want him to win the games with his arm, which gives them a better chance versus Kerryon rushing for 150 yards. But you still need to run the ball and keep the defense where you want them.
There’s evidence out there that says play-action success and running the ball have nothing to do with each other, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make at this point.
I’m not saying they’re running too much, I’m saying they become predictable with their running game. Specifically late in games. They play conservative offense late in games, trying to control clock and close out games. Great in theory, but teams have keyed on it and going run, run, pass every possesion in the 4th makes it easier for defenses. Running the ball late with a lead is great, but if you’re not successful with it and are just pounding the ball into 8 man boxes and then punting, you’re not doing the offense or team any good. The Lions have 7 points in 3 games in the 4th quarter. It cost them a win in one game already and came close to doing it again on Sunday.
When your a play action pass ...bootleg heavy scheme on offense you need to keep running the ball.
Those tendencies help you when you run a well timed play action pass when you need one. They always run into a 8 man box because thats what the defense always runs because they fear the run game. This is exactly what Bevell wants because the pass game is there when you want it to. You cant just stop running the ball because a defense puts 8 in the box when your a play action offense. The Lions did run on some second and longs and third and shorts with some success. I'm not buying this argument because Kerryon tweated something, this is a balanced offense and defenses know Kerryon averaged 5.4 YPC last season and they are committed to stop him. This is exactly what they want the defense TO DO, the whole purpose of this scheme on offense is to have them play 8 in the box so you can run play action. Or if they loosen coverage and drop defenders on D then they can run the ball. So far we have seen 8 in the box, so the pass game is taking advantage of it. If I was a DC I would want Stafford to beat me and not the running backs. Stafford has had issues being consistent, so far this season has has turned the ball over a few times and defenses want him to win the games with his arm, which gives them a better chance versus Kerryon rushing for 150 yards. But you still need to run the ball and keep the defense where you want them.
There’s evidence out there that says play-action success and running the ball have nothing to do with each other, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make at this point.
I’m not saying they’re running too much, I’m saying they become predictable with their running game. Specifically late in games. They play conservative offense late in games, trying to control clock and close out games. Great in theory, but teams have keyed on it and going run, run, pass every possesion in the 4th makes it easier for defenses. Running the ball late with a lead is great, but if you’re not successful with it and are just pounding the ball into 8 man boxes and then punting, you’re not doing the offense or team any good. The Lions have 7 points in 3 games in the 4th quarter. It cost them a win in one game already and came close to doing it again on Sunday.
Huh? Do you know who Darrell Bevel is and what kind of offense he runs? You know Stafford in one of the best play action passers in the game right? You know his numbers are very good when passing out of a play action look. But your comment about play action success and running the ball is kinda wacked. I mean you need to run the ball to have a play action game.
The Lions faced more 8 in the box then any other team last week. I agree with you about the 4th quarter but the Lions need to keep trying to run it, they like facing 8 in the box. Staffords downfield passing numbers are very good so far this season.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 25, 2019 6:30:30 GMT -6
Vic, you can’t say Stafford is a good play action QB and say the run game is key to play action. If this was the case how could Stafford be a good play action passer given he has the one of the worst running games in the league, if not the worst, over the course of his career? I know what Bevell likes to do, but that doesn’t mean you need to pound the ball on first down and be run heavy offense to run successful play action. There is evidence that proves otherwise.
Ignoring all of that the argument I was making was about predictability and conservative play calling late in games that limits the run game and has caused the offense to become stagnant.