Lots of Chatter regarding Stafford trade

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The old saying is where there is smoke there is fire. Wonder if Dallas would trade their #1 Pick plus a couple of late rounders for Stafford. Lions would select Tua and see what happens. That would be quite shocking actually. The Cowboys would pay Stafford instead of Prescott......Interesting thought. 

[Blaming Brad]

It's all bullshit. After the restructure they made trading him not possible. There was even one report that said they were shopping him and that Kelly Stafford posted on her Instagram that she wouldn't mind California but that post never even happened. Some really crappy journalism going on these days.

[Megatron]

Been chatting with a 49ers fan tonight. And if we were GMs a big trade would have been made. He believes that the 9ers can win the Superbowl with Jimmy G, I don't. I think the 9ers had an incredibly strong roster this year. Their Head Coach is great, their O lIne was solid, their running game was excellent and their Defense was the best in the league. All they were missing was a QB who was top notch. Matthew Stafford could be that guy for them. He is way better than Jimmy G. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the Lions to trade Stafford. I love #9. But if the 9ers want to pass us two first round picks for Stafford, I think it's a deal worth looking at. It could help both teams.

Pure hypothetical talk but it was an interesting conversation. I fundamentally disagree that the 9ers can win the Superbowl with Jimmy G though. I just don't think he's got it. If you gave Matthew Stafford that Defense and that running game, I totally believe Stafford could win you the Superbowl. Sadly he's never had that opportunity in Detroit.

[Blaming Brad]

Most QBs could be successful in the 49ers situation. But AGAIN, TRADING STAFFORD IS NOT AN OPTION AFTER THE RESTRUCTURE. Not sure why that is so hard for people to grasp.

[badnews3123]

Feb 15, 2020 21:36:23 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

Most QBs could be successful in the 49ers situation. But AGAIN, TRADING STAFFORD IS NOT AN OPTION AFTER THE RESTRUCTURE. Not sure why that is so hard for people to grasp.

Every time I see an article or Omar Kelly dumbass tweet, I want to put my head through a wall.

The coach and GM are on thin ice, I highly doubt they want to add weight to that with a rookie QB. If they coveted more cap space, they wouldn’t do a restructure in the end of December that creates more dead money this season and they also wouldn’t have done it if their plan was to get a cost effective rookie QB, because it eliminates the cost effective part.

[thedane]

Next year his dead cap moves to $19 million, the year after it's $6 million.

[Blaming Brad]

Feb 16, 2020 7:10:46 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

If they coveted more cap space, they wouldn’t do a restructure in the end of December that creates more dead money this season and they also wouldn’t have done it if their plan was to get a cost effective rookie QB, because it eliminates the cost effective part.

Exactly. And if there was even the slightest chance they would consider entertaining offers for Stafford, there's no way they restructure. They had a somewhat reasonable out this year prior to the restructure.

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Feb 15, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

It's all bullshit. After the restructure they made trading him not possible. There was even one report that said they were shopping him and that Kelly Stafford posted on her Instagram that she wouldn't mind California but that post never even happened. Some really crappy journalism going on these days.

My inner common sense tells me you are correct....But what if..The Chargers offer #6, #37, #140 plus Melvin Gordon for Stafford, Slay and #6 pick. Could we turn that down

[badnews3123]

Feb 16, 2020 15:44:16 GMT -6 @lionissleeping said:

Feb 15, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

It's all bullshit. After the restructure they made trading him not possible. There was even one report that said they were shopping him and that Kelly Stafford posted on her Instagram that she wouldn't mind California but that post never even happened. Some really crappy journalism going on these days.

My inner common sense tells me you are correct....But what if..The Chargers offer #6, #37, #140 plus Melvin Gordon for Stafford, Slay and #6 pick. Could we turn that down

Yes, because they’d still eat 32 million dollars in dead money and give up the 2 best players in the deal.

Gordon is also a FA so they can’t trade him.

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Feb 16, 2020 17:28:51 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Feb 16, 2020 15:44:16 GMT -6 @lionissleeping said:

My inner common sense tells me you are correct....But what if..The Chargers offer #6, #37, #140 plus Melvin Gordon for Stafford, Slay and #6 pick. Could we turn that down

Yes, because they’d still eat 32 million dollars in dead money and give up the 2 best players in the deal.

Gordon is also a FA so they can’t trade him.

I stand corrected on Gordon. That cap dead money is a real pain. The lions always seem to be in a uncomfortable position with regards to drafting and trading and cap issues. I think they are stuck with the #3 pick with no real good options. They could pick the cornerback, but that is really high pick for that position...and everybody thinks he is the real deal, and that scares me. You would think they could restructure Staffords deal or maybe get cash in a trade. The raiders are rumored ready to sign 42 y.o. Tom Brady 2 years 60 million. Way to complicated to trade with the Salary Cap...I suppose there was a good reason for that...but I'm glad I don't have to figure it out.

[TRUMP]

Feb 16, 2020 15:44:16 GMT -6 @lionissleeping said:

Feb 15, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

It's all bullshit. After the restructure they made trading him not possible. There was even one report that said they were shopping him and that Kelly Stafford posted on her Instagram that she wouldn't mind California but that post never even happened. Some really crappy journalism going on these days.

My inner common sense tells me you are correct....But what if..The Chargers offer #6, #37, #140 plus Melvin Gordon for Stafford, Slay and #6 pick. Could we turn that down

Yes. Patricia needs to win now. He isn’t doing that without Stafford. Slay is a little more flexible. But Stafford is staying at least one more year. 

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Feb 16, 2020 21:30:53 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

Feb 16, 2020 15:44:16 GMT -6 @lionissleeping said:

My inner common sense tells me you are correct....But what if..The Chargers offer #6, #37, #140 plus Melvin Gordon for Stafford, Slay and #6 pick. Could we turn that down

Yes. Patricia needs to win now. He isn’t doing that without Stafford. Slay is a little more flexible. But Stafford is staying at least one more year. 

Quote from Nick Saban....On Tua


“I think he’s a lot like Drew Brees. I always thought Aaron Rodgers was a lot like that as a player too,” Saban said. “Not overly big, accurate with the ball, really good judgment, decision-making. Those guys are the style of player. I would never say the expectation should be he would accomplish what those guys have, I’d never wanna put that on a guy. But that’s the style of player he is.

[Blaming Brad]

I've been saying for weeks I would KEEP Stafford and still draft Tua. I don't think this team is nearly as close as some people seem to think and Tua is a potential generational talent. And Stafford is probably gone in 2 years either way.

That said, I know it will never happen unless ownership has given Quinntricia some kind of assurances.

[badnews3123]

Feb 17, 2020 11:05:49 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

I've been saying for weeks I would KEEP Stafford and still draft Tua. I don't think this team is nearly as close as some people seem to think and Tua is a potential generational talent. And Stafford is probably gone in 2 years either way.

That said, I know it will never happen unless ownership has given Quinntricia some kind of assurances.

What have you seen that makes him a generational talent? Honestly asking. I think he’s a good prospect, but I don’t see a lot of traits that show me a generational guy. He seems to have the mental make-up, but he’s also spent his time at Alabama with elite OL play and a ridiculous group of WR’s. I think he throws a very good deep ball, but the WR’s are not going to be open on the short and intermediate routes like they were at Bama.

I also worry about the injury history.

If the team isn’t there, tank it and get Lawerence next year.

[Vic]

I have been pretty hard on Stafford, that was until what I seen him under Bevell's offense last season.

Quinn does not deserve to make this decision with the state of this team! This defense is the worst in the NFL in the last 20 years, you have a QB that if he keeps playing this way could be a hall of famer...seriously. Stafford's numbers put him with the best, the only thing he doesn't have is the playoff wins. Any talk about trading him is totally nuts considering the state of the roster and how bad this defense is. Any other moves but to fix this defense by Quinn is borderline criminal.

[def]

I would still draft Tua. Give Stafford another year. See what happens. If someone wants to trade up, grab another top draft pick...it's a win-win

[Vic]

Cant draft a guy with a fractured him that high

[def]

Fuck me! I thought the draft was THIS MONTH! I realized it's only friggin FEBRUARY! Oh Gezus H

[Blaming Brad]

Feb 17, 2020 11:22:27 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

What have you seen that makes him a generational talent? Honestly asking. I think he’s a good prospect, but I don’t see a lot of traits that show me a generational guy. He seems to have the mental make-up, but he’s also spent his time at Alabama with elite OL play and a ridiculous group of WR’s. I think he throws a very good deep ball, but the WR’s are not going to be open on the short and intermediate routes like they were at Bama.

I love his poise and accuracy in the pocket. His poise reminds me of Mahomes. I don't really get the Aaron Rodgers comparison but I can see Drew Brees. I do have some concern with him being a scheme guy and if he ends up on the wrong team (which the Lions could very well be) it could turn out to be a disaster. I might have just talked myself out of the idea.

Feb 17, 2020 11:22:27 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

I also worry about the injury history.

I do too. Mainly the hip though.

Feb 17, 2020 11:22:27 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

If the team isn’t there, tank it and get Lawerence next year.

I kind of feel similar to Lawrence as you do about Tua.

[badnews3123]

I’m actually not crazy about his pocket poise. Think he got a little too quick to drop at times and break, missing secondary routes. He obviously has ability to create time and move around in it, but in terms of reads and reaction to pressure I think he needs work. Kind of my concern with next level. Can he find the next option when option isn’t open? Or wide open, like they were a lot of the time at Bama. And can he make those tight window throws? Because that’s going to have happen more far more often in the NFL. Lions would be good example of that, Gollloday’s specialty is contested catches. My last concern would be durability, but I definitely think it’s something to worry about as part of what makes him the talent he is, is the ability be a threat running and he’s already been beat up some.

[goldenlions]

Lions are not getting rid of Stafford.

They are not going to waste a #3 overall draft pick on a QB only to have him sit through half his rookie contract behind a player who is currently better than he is.

The injury risk is not worth it.  And I can't and never will trust a QB under Nick Saban.

The Lions need to get the best defensive player they can.

[Honolulublue]

The Lions would be making a monumental mistake if they trade Stafford and or draft Tua. Tua is good, but he is glass. Defense is the problem. 

[italianstallion]

11 seasons - 0 division titles - 0 playoff wins . I think we have seen enough

And the dead cap money on Stafford is only 24 million not 32 , and with 13 Guaranteed anyways, its more like 11 million extra.

Trade him to San Diego and move on.

Besides ragnow, Golliday and Hockenson and Team MVP Prater,Flowers ( if he had anybody else around him on that d line ) everybody else is tradeable .

Its time to trade Stafford and SLay, and get the most you can ! Clear a ton of cap space for 2021 free agency, lets face it, this team is gonna suck in 2020 with or without Stafford and Slay. slay will net you a 3rd rounder and maybe a 6th or another player and a 3rd, slightly better than the Golden tate deal .

Stafford, who knows what you can get for him with all the other QBS out their in the market.

I was against his 5 year 135 million deal even before it was finalized and its been dead money with Him for 11 years.

The dolphins 2019 season plan should be followed by the Lions in 2020 and embrace a true rebuild .

Stat Padd-ford will never win anything here . He is basically this era's Jeff George, just a nicer guy !

[italianstallion]

by trading everybody you can you can add a lot of UDFA and young talent for cheap while also having a ton of cap space for 2021

until the Lions embrace a true rebuild which you cannot with a 27 million dollar a year qb, it is just not gonna happen.

Also feel free to fire Quinn, just not impressed .

[italianstallion]

Either you hope for young to slip to 3, or you trade 3 to Carolina or Miami and get a nice haul in return. Staying at 3 is a waste this draft. Quinn can't move down from 3 if youngs off the board means he needs to go