I agree, but I think it's reasonable to think they could find someone that in 2024 will be close to what Ramsey will be in 2024.
Maybe, still pretty lofty though. I don’t think he’s falling out of being a top 10 corner in next 2 years and that’s a big step up for a 2nd year player.
I’d rather have a top vet CB(doesn’t have to be Ramsey)and draft a CB in a deep class and not put the pressure on the young guy to have to be that guy in year 2.
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I’d rather have a top vet CB(doesn’t have to be Ramsey)and draft a CB in a deep class and not put the pressure on the young guy to have to be that guy in year 2.
So would I. Give Dean $50M for 3 years and you don't lose any draft picks.
I’d rather have a top vet CB(doesn’t have to be Ramsey)and draft a CB in a deep class and not put the pressure on the young guy to have to be that guy in year 2.
So would I. Give Dean $50M for 3 years and you don't lose any draft picks.
I’m all in on that, especially if Holmes can pull the magic of getting him for that contract.
Dean may be top CB on market, him taking 3/50 when JC Jackson got 6/82 should be grounds to fire his agent on the spot.
So would I. Give Dean $50M for 3 years and you don't lose any draft picks.
I’m all in on that, especially if Holmes can pull the magic of getting him for that contract.
Dean may be top CB on market, him taking 3/50 when JC Jackson got 6/82 should be grounds to fire his agent on the spot.
Talk about lofty! Dean is not worth that much per season, not for a guy that has difficulty staying on the field. Ward (49ers) is only making 16 million the next 2 years.
I’m all in on that, especially if Holmes can pull the magic of getting him for that contract.
Dean may be top CB on market, him taking 3/50 when JC Jackson got 6/82 should be grounds to fire his agent on the spot.
Talk about lofty! Dean is not worth that much per season, not for a guy that has difficulty staying on the field. Ward (49ers) is only making 16 million the next 2 years.
Talk about lofty! Dean is not worth that much per season, not for a guy that has difficulty staying on the field. Ward (49ers) is only making 16 million the next 2 years.
He’s played in 57 of 66 possible games.
What’s the Ward relevance?
Using game availability skews his use. Snaps counts are a better way to explain his work load. Over his 4 years with the Bucs a little over half of his snaps are on defense. He had only 70% of snaps on defense this year. Used quite a bit on special teams though.
Ward is a LCB or CB1 against opponents best WR. Jemel Dean is at best a CB2, in fact, Jerry Jacobs IMO is better.
Post by badnews3123 on Jan 31, 2023 10:02:28 GMT -6
Dean played 90% of defensive snaps this season.
Ward is a Safety/nickel hybrid, who played safety most of his career and is 5 years older. Not sure I get the comparison as a player or his contract, which he signed as a Safety.
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You don’t have to like Dean, I get it it. I’m not positive he’s a perfect fit for the coverage Glenn runs. All the FA CB’s make me a little nervous for different reasons. That’s why I’m open to the idea of reading for a more established vet.
Ignoring all that, Dean is considered not just the top CB on the market, one of the top FA’s overall.
You don’t have to like Dean, I get it it. I’m not positive he’s a perfect fit for the coverage Glenn runs. All the FA CB’s make me a little nervous for different reasons. That’s why I’m open to the idea of reading for a more established vet.
Ignoring all that, Dean is considered not just the top CB on the market, one of the top FA’s overall.
I like Dean, I just don't think he is a good fit for the Lions, especially at 17 million/year that BB was talking about. He is an outside CB only, who IMO is not as talented as Okudah or Jacobs. The Lions biggest need is a good Nickel. From what I have read, Christian Gonzalez, or Brian Branch are 2 players in the draft that can take over for Harris. One should be available at pick 18. Both are excellent tacklers with good coverage.
You don’t have to like Dean, I get it it. I’m not positive he’s a perfect fit for the coverage Glenn runs. All the FA CB’s make me a little nervous for different reasons. That’s why I’m open to the idea of reading for a more established vet.
Ignoring all that, Dean is considered not just the top CB on the market, one of the top FA’s overall.
I like Dean, I just don't think he is a good fit for the Lions, especially at 17 million/year that BB was talking about. He is an outside CB only, who IMO is not as talented as Okudah or Jacobs. The Lions biggest need is a good Nickel. From what I have read, Christian Gonzalez, or Brian Branch are 2 players in the draft that can take over for Harris. One should be available at pick 18. Both are excellent tacklers with good coverage.
I like Okudah. But there’s only so much we’ve seen and I’m not sure it’s enough to depend on as a top CB right now. Especially with how things went at end of the season and with Holmes comments about the option year.
Jacobs is an easy guy to root for. I think in a perfect world, he’s your 3 or 4 though. He lacks size and is too prone to penalties because he’s grabby. I actually wonder how he’d be in slot. Same with Okudah, i wonder if his best role would be a slot/Safety hybrid. Something like he played in the Dallas game.
I think the Lions need to draft a CB in a deep talented draft, but I also think they need an established vet they can rely on.
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Post by Canadian Fan on Feb 19, 2023 13:40:06 GMT -6
To me Ramsey would depend on the cost. I would be OK with a second
Guy still has talent but I’m not sure about a culture fit. AG wants corners that will come up and defend the run. Not sure if Ramsey has that in him at this point in his career
Post by Canadian Fan on Feb 19, 2023 13:40:27 GMT -6
To me Ramsey would depend on the cost. I would be OK with a second
Guy still has talent but I’m not sure about a culture fit. AG wants corners that will come up and defend the run. Not sure if Ramsey has that in him at this point in his career
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i like how we have been drafting DBs. Okudah was from previous management and i dont think we will keep him around. i like the youngsters we brought in. Ramsey IMO at this point is a luxury we dont need now that we have dre bly as DB coach
Post by goldenlions on Feb 20, 2023 0:04:41 GMT -6
the Rams having to eat most of the contract this season would likely result in multiple 1st rounders in a trade. He is not going to be released by the Rams. He is also going to be 29 this year. If he was 26, I would more inclined to give up more.
I'd rather just drafted the best CB at #6 than trade multiple firsts, if he would come cheaper in draft capital, I jump on it but so would a dozen other teams.
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Post by badnews3123 on Feb 20, 2023 7:27:33 GMT -6
No way it’s multiple firsts. That’s what it cost to get him when he was 25-26 and on his rookie deal. The money isn’t leverage for Rams because they’re the ones stuck over the cap and needing to free up money. Because he’s still playing at a high level , they may be able to squeeze a late first and some throw in’s, but I’d think a 2nd plus some more value would do it.
And like I said a dozen teams will give up a 2nd rounder for that, being the Lions are not drafting fairly high in the 2nd, I doubt it would be Detroit. Unless he has some clause in his contract that would dictate his trade location.
Only way he is moved is via trade and someone will give up a 1st and at the very least a 2nd and it won't be Detroit.
Jalen Ramsey is awesome but what blaming said. He will require too much in return. This front office drafts well. Let's go that route unless we get a deal...like Nate Sudfield, Will Harris and a third round pick
And like I said a dozen teams will give up a 2nd rounder for that, being the Lions are not drafting fairly high in the 2nd, I doubt it would be Detroit. Unless he has some clause in his contract that would dictate his trade location.
Only way he is moved is via trade and someone will give up a 1st and at the very least a 2nd and it won't be Detroit.
I can’t imagine a team giving up almost the same thing it cost to get him when he was 25 as when he’s going to be 29. A dozen teams won’t be willing to take on his contract and restructure it. The only comparable trades in the last ten years are the Slay trade, which was a joke by Quinn and Patricia. And Revis when he was traded to Bucs for a 1 and a 4, which is probably in the ball park.
I don’t think he gets moved anyway because I think the Rams don’t think they are in a position to be selling. They have a small window to try and get back to Super Bowl and I think they’ll listen to offers, but without leverage, they’re not gonna get offers they want and they’ll probably just kick money down the road and blow it up in a couple years.
Post by badnews3123 on Feb 21, 2023 8:23:46 GMT -6
Ignoring anything involving Ramsey. I do think people overvalue picks and I think Lions fans especially, way overvalue them right now because of last years draft. I like Holmes, but I think there are some unrealistic expectations on his drafting ability right now.
Ignoring anything involving Ramsey. I do think people overvalue picks and I think Lions fans especially, way overvalue them right now because of last years draft. I like Holmes, but I think there are some unrealistic expectations on his drafting ability right now.
Probably true, but I think there is something to "success in numbers". Meaning, the more draft picks you have (particularly high picks) the higher your chances of hitting on one. With 4 picks in the first 2 rounds, not only do you increase your chances of hitting on a player (or players), but it also affords you the ability to take a risk on a QB like Richardson to develop. That's why I don't want to give up any of the top 4 picks unless it's to trade down.
Ignoring anything involving Ramsey. I do think people overvalue picks and I think Lions fans especially, way overvalue them right now because of last years draft. I like Holmes, but I think there are some unrealistic expectations on his drafting ability right now.
Probably true, but I think there is something to "success in numbers". Meaning, the more draft picks you have (particularly high picks) the higher your chances of hitting on one. With 4 picks in the first 2 rounds, not only do you increase your chances of hitting on a player (or players), but it also affords you the ability to take a risk on a QB like Richardson to develop. That's why I don't want to give up any of the top 4 picks unless it's to trade down.
I think if you want to take a risk on a QB you’re either going to have to do it at 6 or move up from 18, so you’re gonna be giving up a lot of that capital that way, too. Which there’s a lot to that when you take a QB first, beyond giving up the value. I’m not opposed to it, but pretty significant risk there, too. There’s also something to the window the Lions have right now with where the OL is, taking your shot with Goff, young players still on cheap deals, etc.
Not saying go all Rams and sell all your picks, but generally when the topic of trading a high pick for a player is brought up, I’d say it’s generally 90/10 no way and after digging through some of those types of trades, it looks to lean in favor of the team getting the player.
I think if you want to take a risk on a QB you’re either going to have to do it at 6 or move up from 18
Or move down from 6.
More and more I'm wondering if the guy to target should be Tanner McGee in round 2 or 3.
May be wrong, but my gut says Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson all go within top 10, so unless they have some inside knowledge, be risky to move back if there’s a guy they want. But, I didn’t think you’d have the QB’s fall as far as they did last year either.
I think more than likely they have a day 2 or early day 3 guy, they’re targeting.