Over/Under on Lions is 7

[thedane]

If JC gets fired for 9 wins? While I really like a lot of their off season moves, I have been totally unimpressed with the coaching. Opening at home last season against a team that soundly beat us with a rookie QB had me changing the channel for most of the season. It is remarkable how close Vegas is for this team every year.

Reason for hope on D.

Ansah is gone and we got his dough to spend on a guy who will be playing. When they acquired Flowers it reminded me of Schwartz when he got KVB. It's more than a player upgrade, it's an upgrade in attitude for the team. It's also a huge upgrade along with Snacks and Hand. 

Reason for concern on D.

Secondary was hampered by not just talent but a system that negated the best part of what Quinn and the DB's brought to the game. He was largely ineffective and our turnovers from that group dropped off the chart. I have serious doubts about what they're trying to do because what they accomplished was to make a fairly effective group fairly ineffective. 

Reason for hope on O.

We got a real NFL TE and just added depth with a real NFL RB. I see the Amendola signing as pretty neutral.

Reason for concern on O.

Last year I really liked our WR situation. With Tate gone and Marvin Jones finishing the season on IR it showed just how little depth we have. It's a decent class for WR's, they need to find at least one either in FA or the draft. Not so sure, here's the guys on the 53 man roster to finish last season....
19 Kenny Golladay

17 Andy Jones

13 T. J. Jones

18 Chris Lacy

10 Brandon Powell

If that doesn't scare the crap out of you it should.

With all the resources we have used to fix the OL, it remains broken until it's not.

I believe that this team gained some serious help in FA, but it remains to be seen if this staff can coach them up. I also don't see where we have done much of anything to stop the bleeding on the dink and dunk passes that are likely to be wide open again this year. Yes, we got a nickle CB but most of the damage will be in front of him with the LB group IMO. If they can't at least match what JC was able to do it's time to move on in what Jerry Glanville used to call the (N)ot (F)or (L)ong league if you can't get it done.

[goldenlions]

This team had to take a step back to move forward imho.

I think this defense is gonna be good the entire year, which will only lead to the Lions being competitive. I like that they are getting guys that fit what they want to do, and not just solely getting guys the fans clamor for.

The offense will be fine, but I have concerns with the Oline. The front office has been scouting WRs like crazy this offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if they draft 2 of them. I think TJ Jones will be fine and Kenny Golladay is gonna step it up and Amendola is a stop gap. I loved the signing of Jesse James.

As for the over/under, I made a dumb comment that I would bet all the money I had if I had gotten the Lions at 6 1/2 when I was in Vegas last April (even though I saw mostly 7 or 7 1/2) but decided to lay off because of the Patricia unknown.

[TRUMP]

10 wins minimum. Reason being is our defense will be much much improved. And that can mask some early issues on offense.
Do not be surprised if metcalf falls to number 8 andcthe lions draft him. Suddenly or WR issue isn’t that bad.
I like what Quin has been doing. We will reap great rewards.

MAKE THE LIONS GREAT AGAIN

[Funkytown]

Apr 4, 2019 15:52:29 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

10 wins minimum. Reason being is our defense will be much much improved. And that can mask some early issues on offense.
Do not be surprised if metcalf falls to number 8 andcthe lions draft him. Suddenly or WR issue isn’t that bad.
I like what Quin has been doing. We will reap great rewards.

MAKE THE LIONS GREAT AGAIN

Again? AGAIN?!



JK.

10 wins minimum, huh? Holy crap...

What are your expectations for the rest of the division? 

Also, I'm not sure that Metcalf being there at 8 would be a surprise/considered "a fall." 

[goldenlions]

Apr 4, 2019 16:18:34 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Apr 4, 2019 15:52:29 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

Again? AGAIN?!

JK.

10 wins minimum, huh? Holy crap...

What are your expectations for the rest of the division? 

Also, I'm not sure that Metcalf being there at 8 would be a surprise/considered "a fall." 

Well we did win the NFL championship as recently as 1957...the good old days (about 20 years before my dad got my mom drunk and made me in the backseat of a Ford Pinto ).

I personally expect the NFC North to finish this way:
Lions 8-8
Bears 5-7-4
Vikings 4-8-4
Packers 2-10-4

[Vic]

10 wins?

Hard to say

Have this new OC coming in, there could be a learning curve there. Stafford had a shit season last year. Lots of new faces on defense, OL still has issues like...we need a right side of the OL, need a RG, Wagner has had issues. Not like the LT has been all that great either.

[def]

Apr 3, 2019 23:03:07 GMT -6 goldenlions said:

This team had to take a step back to move forward imho.

I think this defense is gonna be good the entire year, which will only lead to the Lions being competitive. I like that they are getting guys that fit what they want to do, and not just solely getting guys the fans clamor for.

The offense will be fine, but I have concerns with the Oline. The front office has been scouting WRs like crazy this offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if they draft 2 of them. I think TJ Jones will be fine and Kenny Golladay is gonna step it up and Amendola is a stop gap. I loved the signing of Jesse James.

As for the over/under, I made a dumb comment that I would bet all the money I had if I had gotten the Lions at 6 1/2 when I was in Vegas last April (even though I saw mostly 7 or 7 1/2) but decided to lay off because of the Patricia unknown.

Goldie, I think they released TJ Jones, not 100 on it, but thought I heard that somewhere. The good thing is Jones and Golliday will get most of the snaps or SHOULD, we need that breakout guy to step up and Amendola will fit in there nicely. I am not too worried about WR's because of Free agency and the draft, but the O LINE like you mentioned is key. Stafford ran his ass off last year trying to escape the rush and was completely scrambled in many games. A Guard would be nice at some point, Right Guard!

[TRUMP]

Big part of the reason Stafford was under duress so much last year was the crap of an OC we had in Cooter. Our new OC has a proven track record .

Lions win North 11-5
Bears 2nd at 9-7
Queens 7-9
Peckers 4-12

[Felix]

IDK...Cooter did ok under Caldwell...just think Patricia was a lot more conservative and throttled Cooter...thats how I saw it anyway...

[Vic]

Apr 5, 2019 14:22:45 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

Big part of the reason Stafford was under duress so much last year was the crap of an OC we had in Cooter. Our new OC has a proven track record .

Lions win North 11-5
Bears 2nd at 9-7
Queens 7-9
Peckers 4-12

Cooter played OL?

Didn't realize that

Yeah the scheme was highschool, but Stafford has not performed well at times in more complicated schemes with Linehan and Lombardi; which is why it was dumbed down. Pass blocking was crap last season, Stafford was among the most pressured QBs last season and also his stats are shit when he is under pressure so defenses bring pressure at him on a continual basis. 

They need to figure out how to keep him clean to have any success

[badnews3123]

The OL was underwhelming given the investment in them, but they weren’t that bad. Run blocking was fine when they had a competent running back and a large part of the pressure came in the second half of the season when they were running AAF rejects at WR and TE.

And I don’t think the “complexity” of Lombardi’s scheme was an issue, it was just an extremely poor fit with the personnel and he didn’t adjust to his players.

Stafford wasn’t always consistent under Linehan, but he didn’t struggle.

[Blaming Brad]

7 sounds just about right. Maybe I'd put it at 7.5. The Packers still have Aaron Rodgers last I checked (who played hurt all last year). The Bears might regress, but they're still a better all around team than the Lions. The Vikings are kind of a wild card. I have no idea what to make of them.

[badnews3123]

I don’t know what to make of any of the teams in the division. Packers have made some moves and have a lot of draft capital, but a new staff and some things to work out. I still don’t buy into the Bears. I’m not sold on Trubisky and parts of that offense. Pagano was a good hire, so D should still be strong. Vikings could bounce back and be tough.

[goldenlions]

Apr 5, 2019 12:55:44 GMT -6 def said:

Apr 3, 2019 23:03:07 GMT -6 goldenlions said:

This team had to take a step back to move forward imho.

I think this defense is gonna be good the entire year, which will only lead to the Lions being competitive. I like that they are getting guys that fit what they want to do, and not just solely getting guys the fans clamor for.

The offense will be fine, but I have concerns with the Oline. The front office has been scouting WRs like crazy this offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if they draft 2 of them. I think TJ Jones will be fine and Kenny Golladay is gonna step it up and Amendola is a stop gap. I loved the signing of Jesse James.

As for the over/under, I made a dumb comment that I would bet all the money I had if I had gotten the Lions at 6 1/2 when I was in Vegas last April (even though I saw mostly 7 or 7 1/2) but decided to lay off because of the Patricia unknown.

Goldie, I think they released TJ Jones, not 100 on it, but thought I heard that somewhere. 

I meant Marvin Jones, not sure why I put TJ there. 

[Canadian Fan]

I'm waiting to see what the draft brings but I think 8-8 sounds about right.

Funny thing is that, that may be enough to win the Division this year

[thedane]

It just went to 6 1/2....

[TRUMP]

12

[goldenlions]

Apr 30, 2019 10:21:45 GMT -6 thedane said:

It just went to 6 1/2....

Id take the over.  I can’t imagine the team got worse than last year with all the additions via FA and draft and what is considered an easier schedule than last year.

[liongeezer]

6 wins, 2 losses, at home and 2 wins, 6 losses away. 8 and 8 is about max. I see the Vikings and Packers battling it out for the division. Bears will take a step back due to DCs figuring out Nagy's scheme and tendencies. Lions will still be at the bottom.