BOB QUINN

[Vic]

Quinn now in his 4th year.

Career win loss record is under .500 since he has been here

Fires a 9-7 coach for a rookie HC that had a .375 record last year, and again is trending under .500 this season.

This season is looking to tank and start shitting the bed really bad. The Lions have one of the worst defenses in pro football (don't we have a defensive guru HC??). and an OL that can't open a run lane and at times cant protect the QB. The offense is starting to get predictable. The special teams have not been very special. And the Lions do dumb shit...dumb penalties etc., just not smart football, not smart coaching either. 

How much time does Quinn get here? He isn't Matt Millen bad, but he hasn't been any fucking good either!

[goldenlions]

Quinn gets another 2 years would be my guess, you know when it is feasible to move on from Matt Stafford and that runs through Patricia's contract.

The season is not over. It can still be salvaged and until the Lions lose 6 games or GB or Minnesota gets to 10 wins, I don't think we can write anything off yet.]

Patricia is looking like a mistake but keeping Caldwell was not the answer.

[TRUMP]

Stanford isn’t the problem. Thecdefense has been shit and it’s largely due to plYers missing most of training camp. The D should come around in the next couple games .how bad it screws up our playoff chances remains to be seen. Diggs missed too many tackles. Problem solved. Shouldn’t be much of a drop off at all. DL is what needs to form up. Our offense is scoring points. .

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Oct 23, 2019 15:39:08 GMT -6 Vic said:

Quinn now in his 4th year.

Career win loss record is under .500 since he has been here

Fires a 9-7 coach for a rookie HC that had a .375 record last year, and again is trending under .500 this season.

This season is looking to tank and start shitting the bed really bad. The Lions have one of the worst defenses in pro football (don't we have a defensive guru HC??). and an OL that can't open a run lane and at times cant protect the QB. The offense is starting to get predictable. The special teams have not been very special. And the Lions do dumb shit...dumb penalties etc., just not smart football, not smart coaching either. 

How much time does Quinn get here? He isn't Matt Millen bad, but he hasn't been any fucking good either!

I think Martha put the hammer down on Caldwell. Patricia.....I will say this, they are losing better...Closer games..In other words the team seems more competitive week to week. But the depth is not there at all. Lose one or two key players and Teams go for the jugular. That's OK...the way it should be. Quinn will be evaluated after next year is my guess. Clock is ticking on Stafford...He seems to like this style offense. I think Quinn should trade more players and look to the draft. This team is not playoff bound.., sorry to say. With Kerryon down and no respectable running game, Stafford is going to get hammered. I don't think Quinn can fix that either. Mixon or Hunt...but that's a gamble he evidently is not willing to take

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 25, 2019 10:05:58 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

Mixon or Hunt...but that's a gamble he evidently is not willing to take

What makes you say the Bengals would want to trade Joe Mixon? I don't think that would make much sense for them. He's still on his rookie contract.

[badnews3123]

And it’s 2nd round deal, so it’s real cheap. Unless someone wants to offer more than a 2nd, I don’t know why they’d even think about it.

[Vic]

This team is falling apart faster than a Dixon Ticonderoga #2 pencil in the gnashing teeth of Matt Patrica when he's only rushing 2 on third down.

The OL is a shamble, DL is a disaster. The defense is in the toilet! TJ is having a concussion every other week. Kerryon was damaged goods when he reached for him in the draft and will struggle to remain healthy the rest of his career. Quinn is now rebuilding his original rebuilt roster and trading away good players for late draft picks, while some players publicly seem to be getting tired of the shenanigans and are beginning to grumble. How many rebuilds does he get? In his 4th year this team should be hitting its stride. 

Why pretend? Quinn is not getting it done, Patricia is in over his head. Should the Lions blow this up?

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I guess age must have sunk in a little on the Defense...Teams have adjusted to the lions Defensive scheme...Not enough bullets in the gun...lose 1 0r 2 players and poof...They are losing better though...games are not over until the last minute. Too many injuries this year, and stafford..thats the meal ticket..without him we are like an expansion team. Always next year. Stick a Fork in this Turkey....it is done

[badnews3123]

Highly unlikely he or Quinn are going anywhere this season. If Stafford is done for the year, they have built in excuse for win total, if he plays they’ll probably win 7 or 8 games and be able to chalk it up to improvement and building.

A lot of bad this year, but I find it more with coaching than personnel. They definitely have personnel issues in spots, like LB, but that also can go back to Patricia because he seems have such weird tunnel vision on the position.

I’m also tired of the culture bullshit. I wanted them to hire Patricia because I thought he was a smart guy, that would be forward thinking and innovative. Instead it’s a lot of regurgitated football coach cliches, ego, and stubbornness. Culture doesn’t create winning teams, it’s important, but you’re more likely going to create good culture by winning than create winning with culture.

[goldenlions]

I am guessing Bob and Matt just sit in Quinn's office and sit back in their chairs and stare blankly into the ceiling and say, "What have we done? Think Bill will take us back?"

[def]

The Fords are the worst owners in any sports. Bob Quinn  isn't the brightest guy, I've heard him talk, but it's moot at this point.

We have had GM's come and go, same with coaches, and the Lion's problem isn't a GM or coaching problem. Patricia isn't bad and frankly it doesn't matter who coaches this team, it's always the same shit, the FORDS are the one constant in the last 63 years of futility.

It's the Fords. But also, it's the revolving door of coaches and players. Man, just adopt a system, which they have done and stick with it. Changing coaches and GM's every 3 or 4 year is a defeatist mentality. It's false hope. Adopt a system and tweak it to work for you. Patricia is a coach, big whoop, Quinn gets and releases players, whatever...it don't matter just let them do their thing and stop with the pulling the rug out from under them. No coach or GM will ever succeed here if they are always wondering when they will get fired.

ALL THAT SAID, I think it goes back to The Fords and Wolf's Head, which is a branch of The Skull and Bones  it's beyond management and common sense at this point, because this is some cult, voodoo shit that defies all logic. I have been watching the Lions for DECADES ever since Billy Sims' rookie year and there is something beyond the notion of any given Sunday here. It's either they are trying to lose, the Washington Generals syndrome or something way more sinister is happening here. HELL I would even bet William Clay Ford's involvement with Wolf's Head and SKull and Bones is a reason, like he has to sacrifice something every Sunday, to the Gods. 

A new coach or GM is moot. 


BTW if you think this is bullshit, google it, WCF Sr. was the head of Wolf's Head, he is the first son of Edsel Ford.

Salut

[Blaming Brad]

Def is right, although I'll admit I thought it was a step in the right direction when Martha hired Quinn because it was the first time they ever hired a GM to have full control. Maybe he just wasn't the right guy.

That said, I'm for giving Quinn/Patricia one more season. Not that I necessarily think they will finally turn the corner but unless Bill Belichick decides he wants to take on the challenge of all challenges, I don't want yet another regime change, which would mean yet another new "philosophy" and a rebuild around that. It would more than likely just put us yet again where we are right now, only with 2-3 more years lost.

[TRUMP]

The DC will get fired after this season. Patricia will take over play calling.

[Blaming Brad]

Nov 13, 2019 11:45:02 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

The DC will get fired after this season. Patricia will take over play calling.

I don't know, Patricia seems to have a hard-on for the old bag.

[badnews3123]

Also, do we not think Patricia isn’t very involved in the defense?

[badnews3123]

My point is more that I don’t think the main issue is specific play calling within the game. I think it’s more scheme and philosophy, which I have to think Patricia is heavily involved in.

[Vic]

Matty P was a solid DC in New England

The difference is he had the players to do it in NE. As HC...meh yeah we has some ways to go, but this defense is BAAAAD. OL is BAAAD.

This team lacks the firepower

MillHewQuinn must go!

[badnews3123]

Dec 5, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -6 Vic said:

Matty P was a solid DC in New England

The difference is he had the players to do it in NE. As HC...meh yeah we has some ways to go, but this defense is BAAAAD. OL is BAAAD.

This team lacks the firepower

MillHewQuinn must go!

He was up and down in New England. Had some good D’s and sub-par D’s. His reputation with Pats fans isn’t as good as you think. I also think Quinn is going after guys for the D that Patricia wants and signs off for.

And the OL isn’t bad. It’s average and should be better given investment, but it’s not bad.

[Vic]

Dec 5, 2019 20:19:04 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Dec 5, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -6 Vic said:

Matty P was a solid DC in New England

The difference is he had the players to do it in NE. As HC...meh yeah we has some ways to go, but this defense is BAAAAD. OL is BAAAD.

This team lacks the firepower

MillHewQuinn must go!

He was up and down in New England. Had some good D’s and sub-par D’s. His reputation with Pats fans isn’t as good as you think. I also think Quinn is going after guys for the D that Patricia wants and signs off for.

And the OL isn’t bad. It’s average and should be better given investment, but it’s not bad.

Its not good, cant runt he damn ball at all 

[badnews3123]

Dec 5, 2019 21:17:19 GMT -6 Vic said:

Dec 5, 2019 20:19:04 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

He was up and down in New England. Had some good D’s and sub-par D’s. His reputation with Pats fans isn’t as good as you think. I also think Quinn is going after guys for the D that Patricia wants and signs off for.

And the OL isn’t bad. It’s average and should be better given investment, but it’s not bad.

Its not good, cant runt he damn ball at all 

I don’t put that all on the OL. They’ve also been solid in pass protection. There’s some really bad OL’s in the league Vic. Lions have their issues with OL and they should be better, but they’re not awful.

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Have to give these guys at least 4 years. I think the glimmer of the team being more competitive is hopeful. Compare that with Dallas, that team is loaded with talent and can't win. The lions roster is not even close to Dallas as far as Talent level (Overall) talent and depth.

[badnews3123]

3 years. And Dallas is a perfect example of holding on too long, I also think they’re “talent” is a little overrated.

[Blaming Brad]

I'm not convinced Patricia is the guy, and I think Quinn has for the most part been a failure, but I also don't think blowing it all up at this point would be the best thing for this organization. Unless it's a Hue Jackson type situation where you just know he's not head coach material, I think a coach deserves more than 2 years, especially for a pathetic organization like the Lions.

[badnews3123]

I think Patricia should take a lot of heat. Mainly for a shit defense that I think in large part is on him, but he does have a decent injury argument in his favor. That said, even if the injuries weren’t as serious, I don’t think D would have been much better. The D seems to content to just keep hammering the square peg into the round hole.

[Vic]

They are both in over their head

Clearly Caldwell got more from this roster. I like what Bevell has done, but lacks to OL to take it to the next step even though Quinn has tried to t build that squad.

Defense is a mess, talent wise and schematically. Quinn had hit on a few, but also missed the mark with building the roster.