Post by badnews3123 on Feb 19, 2020 13:19:36 GMT -6
They are not going to trade Stafford and eat the dead money. 25 million for a guy to not play on your team is incredibly stupid, unless you’re in an Antonio Brown situation. And since they aren’t and both the coach and GM are on thin ice, I can’t imagine a realistic scenario that they’d trade Stafford. So until there is an actual legitimate report from some like Schefter or Glazer, it is beyond stupid to keep having this discussion.
And I wouldn’t be going all in on cap space for 2021. There isn’t even a CBA done, a lot could change. The Lions will also likely not be in a situation that they’ll be tight on the cap space.
that CBA will get done , trust me , the players union needs it especially with the league TV contracts negotitations coming, otherwise it probably
puts them ina position of getting less money overall if they push this thing into the presidential election time frame.
this team is gonna be trash in 2020
why not clear space like the dolphins and rack up picks
Stafford and SLay alone represent close to 40 million in cap savings
Until Stafford is gone , this franchise isn't gonna be jack and rebuild means poo until it does.
11 seasons =0 division titles = 0 playoff wins and some epic chokes. Time to move on , 11 seasons of dead money
The CBA will get done but you have no idea what things will look like.
And why clear cap space this season for next season? Slay isn’t even scheduled to be on the roster so his cap savings mean nothing towards next season. And you could just move Stafford next season.
Last Edit: Feb 19, 2020 15:52:05 GMT -6 by badnews3123
Post by italianstallion on Feb 19, 2020 16:48:57 GMT -6
The economy is good right now, strike while the iron is hot in regards to the CBA, and we are gonna get a 17 game season. It is coming. You wait until the election season and who knows . They need to just finish things and also allow Marijuana without suspensions.
As for the Lions
clear all the cap you can and tank and trade everybody except ragnow, Golliday and Hockenson and Team MVP Prater,Flowers and rack up picks like the dolphins and embrace the rebuild. in fact I give the Dolphins props for doing it cuz they knew they were gonna suck and got a lot of value in trade Fitzpatrick and Tunsil. All those picks, tons of cap space Their in a better postion than the Lions are .
go young rack up picks, tons of cap space and bring in a ton of UDFA's
I see no real reason to try and spend to compete in 2020 cuz this roster if lucky maybe has 5 win potential at most with Stafford ( thos generations Jeff George , just a nicer guy ) and 1-2 without Stafford. This free agency class not much really special in it anyways. Let Glasgow walk also !
Cut Kennard while your at it and save 5.5 million , and slay is getting dealt . and yes he doesn't count towards the cap for 2021 but just saying you take STAT PADD-ford's money plus Kennard and slay that's 42.5 million right their.
You wanna make an impression with free agents , you go big in free agency in 2021 with also having a ton of picks especially once we got aot of picks and cap space.
GO BIG or GO HOME once the rebuild starts cuz 2020 is gonna stink.
IU am in favor of trading down with the 3rd pick since most likely Young won't be their. let the highest bidder win the tua sweepstakes. and we can sign a veteran qb for a year as a fill gap .2020 is a waste .
Post by badnews3123 on Feb 19, 2020 17:00:08 GMT -6
Again, but what is the point in moving Stafford this year if you want to go all in next season? Other than just being bad to get a better pick, which you seem to think they’ll be regardless. Even if you carry over the money, you can have a 100 million in space, you aren’t going to get $100 million in quality in return. You’d be better served spreading out the free agent signings over the next 2 seasons.
It’s all pointless anyway, there is zero chance of them tanking this season.
Post by italianstallion on Feb 20, 2020 10:52:13 GMT -6
whats the dead money difference between this offseason and next offseason for Stafford
if its minimal than if the offer is right he can go now. if its vast than maybe 2021 , regardless this team has a ton of holes and they will not be address this offseason really. This is gonna be the end of the road for patricia and hopefully for Quinn also.
Post by badnews3123 on Feb 20, 2020 10:56:23 GMT -6
You’d save 14 million cutting him next season, depending on options.
But again, if you don’t plan on doing anything with the money this year, why do it? Also you’d be selling him coming off a season he played 8 games. Wouldn’t you rather try and sell high next season, especially if you’re not spending money this year?
But again, if you don’t plan on doing anything with the money this year, why do it?
Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but can't teams rollover unused cap money year to year? So if you truly believed it is a year to tank, wouldn't it make sense to clear cap space this year to rollover into 2021?
But again, if you don’t plan on doing anything with the money this year, why do it?
Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but can't teams rollover unused cap money year to year? So if you truly believed it is a year to tank, wouldn't it make sense to clear cap space this year to rollover into 2021?
I brought that up earlier.
1. It’s not that much to rollover.
2. Lions should have plenty of space and can create a ton more, including moving Stafford next year.
3. We don’t even know if rollover will be a thing with new CBA not done
4. Even if the Lions have 120 million in space next season. You’re not going to go out and sign every top guy. You’d be better served making smart signings over the next 2 seasons. How many good high caliber players hit FA every season?
Post by italianstallion on Feb 21, 2020 10:37:19 GMT -6
Having all that cap space provides a lot of flexability salary wise not only for 2021 but 2022 in terms of major upgrades during this rebuild. This is a process , not a one stop shop.
id rather take the cap hit in 2020 while we suck than take any hit in 2021 when hes gone.
Joe Burrow is the pick is this draft, is by some act of the GODS he falls to #3, there is no choice BUT to take him and trade Stafford. I truly believe that. Joe Burrow, if you listen to him talk, is about as solid a kid as there is coming out of college. He will be huge if he can stay healthy.
Joe Burrow is the pick is this draft, is by some act of the GODS he falls to #3, there is no choice BUT to take him and trade Stafford. I truly believe that. Joe Burrow, if you listen to him talk, is about as solid a kid as there is coming out of college. He will be huge if he can stay healthy.
From Mel Kiper back in the day
3. Detroit -- Joey Harrington, QB, Oregon
This was a decision Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg had to make based on his assessment of Mike McMahon, whom the Lions drafted last year. Harrington is the third highest player on my draft board and deserved to go in this area. Playing in Mike Bellotti's offense at Oregon, Harrington is a great fit for Mornhinweg's West Coast scheme. Harrington, who has a Brett Favre-like flair for the dramatic, was a highly productive quarterback and one I had rated only slightly behind Carr. But he outperformed Carr at the NFL scouting combine, showing tremendous touch and accuracy on deep balls and more than adequate arm strength. The Lions had to make a pick to generate fan interest in their team, especially with a new stadium coming soon.
Joe Burrow is the pick is this draft, is by some act of the GODS he falls to #3, there is no choice BUT to take him and trade Stafford. I truly believe that. Joe Burrow, if you listen to him talk, is about as solid a kid as there is coming out of college. He will be huge if he can stay healthy.
From Mel Kiper back in the day
3. Detroit -- Joey Harrington, QB, Oregon
This was a decision Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg had to make based on his assessment of Mike McMahon, whom the Lions drafted last year. Harrington is the third highest player on my draft board and deserved to go in this area. Playing in Mike Bellotti's offense at Oregon, Harrington is a great fit for Mornhinweg's West Coast scheme. Harrington, who has a Brett Favre-like flair for the dramatic, was a highly productive quarterback and one I had rated only slightly behind Carr. But he outperformed Carr at the NFL scouting combine, showing tremendous touch and accuracy on deep balls and more than adequate arm strength. The Lions had to make a pick to generate fan interest in their team, especially with a new stadium coming soon.
We sit at #3 again. This time we have a pretty elite QB that has put up Hall of Fame like numbers. Hasn't won a playoff game, but then again hasn't had that many chances. But I kind of think we should draft Tua if he is there and no one offers up the farm for him. That would mean Young is gone. Even with Stafford still here...I think we know what happens if Stafford goes down for any time at all. Maybe the next broken back is the last one...So if the Lions aren't offered some ungodly package to trade down..They have to pick Tua. Stafford has been incredibly durable after a rough start to his career. But the past few years he has taken a pounding. So how much longer can that be sustained.? Tua is quite possibly the 2nd coming of Patrick Mahomes...some say. Could you imagine Bob Quinn's legacy if he passes on Tua and Stafford goes down again....But the package of picks/players has to be one-sided in the Lions favor to trade down. I think the Tua thing is gold...if someone wants to sell the farm, o.k. But it better be the trade of the Century. I wonder if Tua had never got injured....Would he have been the first player drafted. Burrow is good.....but history writes this tale. Monster Mega Deal for Tua or draft him and let the future play out.
Post by italianstallion on Mar 6, 2020 9:55:52 GMT -6
this team keeps Stafford it is not gonna be drafting TUA and forget about any crazy trade down I feel. They will deal with the Giants at 4 to prevent the dolphins at that point and pay less. if your truly gonna trade Stafford you do it here in the next 2 weeks.
if Burrow and young go 1/2 its gonna be Simmons or Okudah at 3, simple as that, and everybody will know we are not taking TUA with Stafford on board and that ugly contract. Andy Dalton will be shipped for a late round pick and that's about what you'd get for Stafford. Already prepared for Quinn to mess this pick up in epic fashion.
Post by italianstallion on Mar 6, 2020 9:57:51 GMT -6
nobody is giving up a 1 for a Qb who hasn't won jack , coming off a bad back and that huge contract . hes not gone the next 2 weeks he is staying put and nobody is trading up with us to get TUA at 3 and why should they when they can trade at 4 with the Giants and pay less.
Post by badnews3123 on Mar 6, 2020 10:48:09 GMT -6
It doesn’t matter if a team thinks the Lions are going to take Tua or not, teams are going to trade up because they don’t want another team to trade up and steal them out from under them. That’s why I think there’s a solid chance Young will be there at 3. If a team loves Tua they’re not going to wait until 3 to go get him, they’re gonna cal Washington, who also doesn’t have a second round pick, and offer them a package to ensure they get him. So unless Washington is absolutely in love with Young and can’t pass on him, you could see him sitting at 3 for Lions.
It doesn’t matter if a team thinks the Lions are going to take Tua or not, teams are going to trade up because they don’t want another team to trade up and steal them out from under them. That’s why I think there’s a solid chance Young will be there at 3. If a team loves Tua they’re not going to wait until 3 to go get him, they’re gonna cal Washington, who also doesn’t have a second round pick, and offer them a package to ensure they get him. So unless Washington is absolutely in love with Young and can’t pass on him, you could see him sitting at 3 for Lions.
I agree with this. This scenario would make it easy for Quinn. He could draft Young, obviously a team need. I am also not sold on the Redskins staying at #2. They have let Trent williams look for a trade and that could change the whole galaxy for them. They could package the #2 and Williams and who know what that would bring. Jacksonville might bite on something like that..they have a ton of picks.
And Minshew isn't Tua. However...If Burrow and Young go 1 and 2...I actually think the lions would have to pick Tua. What if Stafford goes down, and goes down for good. Back injuries, broken bones...That makes me a little Nervous. I could see the Lions trying to patch up the DL with FA and later draft picks, taking Tua at #3...if there are no trade down options, and I mean blockbuster trade down options. Simmons and Okudah...good players, but if Stafford goes down with our current QB room...these 2 guys won't make up that difference. Very interesting draft. Tua would certainly be the smart pick. But we are talking about the Detroit Lions here. Stafford is 32, with brittle bones in his back. Plus, he has taken a pounding in the past few years. I've always preached build up the lines OL,DL...forever..but in this case I think Tua is/can be a very special player more suited to the "evolving" Offensive schemes in the NFL.
Joe Burrow is the pick is this draft, is by some act of the GODS he falls to #3, there is no choice BUT to take him and trade Stafford. I truly believe that. Joe Burrow, if you listen to him talk, is about as solid a kid as there is coming out of college. He will be huge if he can stay healthy.
From Mel Kiper back in the day
3. Detroit -- Joey Harrington, QB, Oregon
This was a decision Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg had to make based on his assessment of Mike McMahon, whom the Lions drafted last year. Harrington is the third highest player on my draft board and deserved to go in this area. Playing in Mike Bellotti's offense at Oregon, Harrington is a great fit for Mornhinweg's West Coast scheme. Harrington, who has a Brett Favre-like flair for the dramatic, was a highly productive quarterback and one I had rated only slightly behind Carr. But he outperformed Carr at the NFL scouting combine, showing tremendous touch and accuracy on deep balls and more than adequate arm strength. The Lions had to make a pick to generate fan interest in their team, especially with a new stadium coming soon.
How Dare YOU! How dare you curse this year by ringing the call of that name. If Herbert is the pick Phalanx will be back calling all of us Trumptards and saying how our gruff Motor City and mediocre mentality will wreck Herbert who is a sure HOF'er with any other team. Say it ain't so! Just say no to summoning the ghosts of Joey!
Post by italianstallion on Mar 11, 2020 12:11:11 GMT -6
I just don't see the Lions being able to pull it off. their gonna screw themselves. I think the giants would take a 3rd and the 5th overall from the dolphins and call it a day for a moveup of 1 spot. Lions are gonna ask too much and screw themselves. Just like last year when we could of traded the pick to Atlanta and got a pretty return. The best scenario is hope somebody trades up with Washington and takes TUA . I don't think Quinn has the brains or the balls to get a good deal done in terms of a trade down.
I doubt Carolina trades up because their tied to Newton this year basically . So basically you got the Chargers and the Dolphins who I think are content on letting the chips fall where they will.
I got no confidence in Quinn in regards to the 1st round and he hasn't proven it in his tenure either.
I just don't see the Lions being able to pull it off. their gonna screw themselves. I think the giants would take a 3rd and the 5th overall from the dolphins and call it a day for a moveup of 1 spot.
When have you ever seen a 1 spot move for such a cheap price in the top 5?
As for Stafford , nobody belives us taking TUA unless hes truly traded. simple at that.
Again, it has nothing to do with the Lions taking him. It has to do with a team wanting him not losing chance at him because someone goes and gets him first. Maybe they stand pat at 3, but they don’t have to sell they’re taking Tua to get a trade up.
Carolina also isn’t tied to Cam. They may hold on to him, but they could cut or trade him and save 19 million.