Quillen and Millen

[Vic]

Is it me or does this feel like Millen picks?

Brandon Pettegrew
Teddy Lehman

I hope I am wrong, but this just doesnt feel right.

[goldenlions]

Apr 27, 2019 7:16:47 GMT -6 Vic said:

Is it me or does this feel like Millen picks?

Brandon Pettegrew
Teddy Lehman

I hope I am wrong, but this just doesnt feel right.

Could it be possible that you just don’t understand the direction and the types of players they want?

Everyone wants the names, I would have felt better if they snagged Greedy, but I don’t fault them for sticking to their philosophy, they will reap the benefits of it works or be thrown out the door if they don’t.

If you want a Millen comparison look at Gettleman for the Giants.

[Vic]

I guess that's the issue...the players they want

Ragnow wasnt a name, but a solid pick.

Hock...is the name, I guess that is the issue with me. And the LB, there was so much more there to take

[goldenlions]

one thing I will say that I don’t like about Quinn is they seem to lock on guys early and they go after them. Both of his press conferences post draft he indicated as such.

[liongeezer]

Apr 27, 2019 7:16:47 GMT -6 Vic said:

Is it me or does this feel like Millen picks?

Brandon Pettegrew
Teddy Lehman

I hope I am wrong, but this just doesnt feel right.

Ted Lehman was one of Millen's best picks.  He was outstanding his rookie season with 102 tackles.  The next 3 years were riddled with injury after injury.  Same old Lion's luck, great players always getting hurt or killed in some cases.

Pettigrew was Mayhew's pick, good blocker but would lose focus and consistently drop or fumble the ball in crucial situations.  Also lacked athleticism and agility resulting in a lack of getting open.  Did not come down with contested catches.

[badnews3123]

Pettigrew caught 300 passes in Detroit and was a decent blocker. Had his issues, but there are much better examples of bad picks.

I like Hockensen, wish they would have taken a trade down, but I think he’ll be a good player with potential to be a great player.

Day 2 seemed like very specific targets. Tavai was a head scratcher and I’m not as down as first thought, but still not crazy about it. I know Quinn said there is only usually a couple LB’s in entire draft that fit what they want, but they may say more about system. Harris is a high character guy with a strong ceiling.

[TRUMP]

Apr 27, 2019 7:58:00 GMT -6 Vic said:

I guess that's the issue...the players they want

Ragnow wasnt a name, but a solid pick.

Hock...is the name, I guess that is the issue with me. And the LB, there was so much more there to take

Well, he was viewed as the 4th best LB to some. Just because you didn’t know who he was doesn’t mean he’s a bad pick. They do this for a living, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. And he would t have been there in the 3rd round. The Pats would have grabbed him.  

[TRUMP]

Apr 27, 2019 8:43:03 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Pettigrew caught 300 passes in Detroit and was a decent blocker. Had his issues, but there are much better examples of bad picks.

I like Hockensen, wish they would have taken a trade down, but I think he’ll be a good player with potential to be a great player.

Day 2 seemed like very specific targets. Tavai was a head scratcher and I’m not as down as first thought, but still not crazy about it. I know Quinn said there is only usually a couple LB’s in entire draft that fit what they want, but they may say more about system. Harris is a high character guy with a strong ceiling.

I like Hockenson but I wanted Bush. He wouldn’t have e been a reach but they felt Hockenson was the better pick obviously. Steelers traded up to number 10 to grab Bush. 

[Vic]

Detroit Lions: C

They didn't manage to fulfill their desire to move out of the No. 8 spot, but TE T.J. Hockenson might be the best kind of consolation prize. GM Bob Quinn's draft résumé is fairly checkered to date, so kinda hard to get overly excited about the rest of it — though apparently you can't go wrong with a Clemson D-lineman ... even when it's fourth rounder Austin Bryant.

[Vic]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.com/lions/2019/04/2019-nfl-draft-overall-grades-lions-around-a-b-after-solid-day-3.html%3foutputType=amp


Overall the the score is a B. Quinn saved the draft with late round value picks.

Let's hope it all works out.

[huntermsu]

Hockenson is a very good prospect not who I would have taken at that slot but I cant deny his talent.
Tavai I just don't get, that seemed way too high for what looks like a run stopper with limited athletic ability, I hope Patricia sees something special because I don't really see it.
Will Harris physical safety with surprising timed speed, not sure he plays that fast and he is no ballhawk but hey if you are after raw ability 4.41 speed, 6'1 and can hit isn't terrible for the 3rd round.
Austin Bryant I am no fan of selecting the sloppy seconds from such a great defensive line draft class, then again I didn't think Hand was going to do anything either so maybe they know bargain DL talent, i'll take whatever I can get on the DL but I'm disappointed.
Amani Oruwariye can't argue with that value, alittle scheme dependent and isn't the fastest but he is tall and long, quick for his size, plays the ball in the air and can jam receivers I like him paired with Patricia in this scheme.
Travis Fulgham meh a bigger down the field target, isn't going to stretch a defense much but can still make some plays deep if he gets to use his body not sure he makes the roster but worth a flyer I guess.
Ty Johnson his workout numbers are eye popping and he has flashed on the field, for a 6th rounder why not see what he can do staying young at RB is a good thing.
Isaac Nauta could develop into a blocking specialist and they seem dead set on using two TEs as a base offensive alignment, Michael Roberts better come ready to play this preseason.
PJ Johnson why not he has size.

[Vic]

Drafting and FA was a lot of flash skilled players

I know they invested a lot in the OL past few seasons but to ignore it again was a Quillen move!

[badnews3123]

Vic you are a 1980’s football cliche machine.

They’ve spent a shitload of resources on the OL over years, they’ve also invested in two TE’s that can block this offseason.

They spent big money on a DL and have what should be one of the top DL’s in the league.

They spent money on a CB and drafted another day 2 pick on a DB.

They had probably the worst TE group in the league last season so they signed a TE to a market value deal, and drafted one. And they desperately needed a slot WR to help underneath, so they signed a stop gap to a 1 year deal. I’m not sure how that’s going after flash and skill guys.

I think Quinn deserves criticism, but let’s direct to the right areas.

[Blaming Brad]

We will probably see free agency pick up again tomorrow as the compensatory pick clock stops. Isn't Mike Remmers still out there? Wouldn't be surprised if that is Quinn's target.

[badnews3123]

Remmers is terrible. I guess it’s competition at least.

[Blaming Brad]

May 6, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Remmers is terrible. I guess it’s competition at least.

The sad thing is he might be better than anything we've got at RG.

[goldenlions]

[Vic]

2018 Position Breakdown: Offensive line
twentyman
Tim Twentyman
SENIOR WRITER

The good: The Detroit Lions came into the 2018 season with plans to be a more balanced and physical team offensively. For that to come to fruition, it was going to have to start upfront. Detroit did have the most success it’s had running the football this past season since 2012. The Lions rushed for 1,660 yards on the season for an average of 4.1 yards per carry. Rookie running back Kerryon Johnson enjoyed success running the ball behind Detroit’s collection of veteran and youngsters upfront.

The Lions offensive line finished the season graded right in the middle of the pack (16th) in Pro Football Focus’ end-of-the-year offensive line grades. They were 19th by Pro Football Outsiders and 12th in adjusted sack rate by FBO.

Rookie guard Frank Ragnow steadily got better as the year moved along and looks like he has a solid future at after being Detroit’s first-round pick last offseason.


The bad: Detroit was dealt a blow when Pro Bowl right guard battled injury all season and ended up playing in just 282 snaps due to an assortment of injuries, the worst being a neck injury that ended his season prematurely.


Lang and the Lions will have to decide the future of the position this offseason. He seemed to indicate after the season that he didn’t want to call it a career on the sour note that was the 2018 season for him. Detroit will have to determine if the veteran Lang fits into their 2019 plans.

In games at Minnesota (10 sacks allowed) and at Chicago (six) this season Detroit’s O-line was completely overwhelmed by the Vikings and Bears defensive front seven’s. The 10 sacks by the Vikings is a new franchise record for them.

Key stat(s): The Lions ranked in the top 10 in the NFL this season in quarterback hurries allowed with 130. New England had the fewest (105) and Minnesota the most (188). Detroit’s 41 sacks allowed ranked 17th.

Free agents: All five starters for the Lions are under contract for 2019. Whether or not all five – Taylor Decker, Ragnow, Graham Glasgow, Lang, and Rick Wagner – are in Detroit’s plans for next season is a question we’ll learn the answer to in the coming months.

Reserve tackle Andrew Donnal, who was inactive most of the season as Detroit’s fourth tackle, is the only free agent this offseason among Detroit’s offensive line.


Draft: Alabama’s Jonah Williams, Oklahoma’s Cody Ford and Ole Miss’ Greg Little are considered first-round locks at the tackle position. Florida’s Jawaan Taylor will also be in the mix late in the first round or early second round.

The Lions appear right now to be pretty set at tackle with Decker, Wagner and last year’s fifth-round pick, Tyrell Crosby, a player they really like.

There aren’t any interior offensive lineman the quality of a Quenton Nelson, who was drafted in the top 10 by Indianapolis last year, in this year’s crop of prospects. There might not be a first rounder in the bunch because this draft is so heavily weighed on the defensive side of the ball with all the top talent.

If the Lions go looking for another interior offensive lineman later in the draft, among the best available would be Nate Herbig (Stanford), Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin), Elgton Jenkins (Mississippi State) and Michael Deiter (Wisconsin).

[Blaming Brad]

Vic Did you pull that from a magazine that just came in the mail?

[thedane]

Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin), and if that doesn't work the Lions official draft hasn't even started, final cuts.

[Vic]

May 8, 2019 9:29:30 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

Vic Did you pull that from a magazine that just came in the mail?

Article from January

[liongeezer]

May 8, 2019 0:46:19 GMT -6 goldenlions said:

I think I am going to throw up.  Kenny Wiggins has tenacity, but no talent.  If he wins the RG position, the Lions are in trouble.

[def]

Lang was my fav Olineman and HE WAS RELEASED. Like the Tigers who gutted their ENTIRE team letting J. Martinez go, their best hitter, than everyone else behind him, we lost one of our best O lineman imo. LAng when healthy was a bitch and now HE IS GONE -FUCK

[Blaming Brad]

May 9, 2019 6:55:29 GMT -6 def said:

Lang was my fav Olineman and HE WAS RELEASED. Like the Tigers who gutted their ENTIRE team letting J. Martinez go, their best hitter, than everyone else behind him, we lost one of our best O lineman imo. LAng when healthy was a bitch and now HE IS GONE -FUCK

I think Lang was pretty set on retiring, which he announced right after being released. If he had any inkling to return, the Lions did him a huge favor if it pushed him to the direction of retirement.

[thedane]

We paid huge bucks last season for guys who hardly played, Lang and Ziggy. Should we have also kept Ziggy? They did the right thing, we aren't in cap hell, and we improved the roster. Arguing over the RG position is pretty refreshing, we used to have holes everywhere you looked.