Post by rustyhilger on Oct 3, 2022 21:14:36 GMT -6
- The drafting of injured guys was a clear signal that he was still looking at this season as a rebuild.
- He looked at the Goff trade and all of the future picks it brought, and lost site of the present.
- He failed to see how good the offensive line was and how much of an impact that has.
- Looking at Goff as a temporary stopgap rather than a near-stud when playing behind stud line.
- Way overestimated the impact of having a "playmaker," failing to realize that a QB with all day to throw only needs guys who can move chains.
If he had focused on the present and drafted guys who could contribute right away ... had he steered clear from trading up for a "big play guy" we clearly didn't need, we'd be competing for the playoffs with a future that could only get brighter.
Instead, we'll be looking at another losing team looking forward to an offensive staff that will be completely gutted due to head coaching opportunities.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2022 21:20:46 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
Im not so sure...how many of these guys are 1 yr contracts? So hes drafting replacements on 4-5 yr rookie contracts instead of 10-15 mil/yr contracts...seems smart...
Im just wondering where the D help is going to come from...you have hutch, rodrigo, okuda...maybe jacobs if he bounces back...who else are you building on in this D?
I have bigger issues with running it back with a lot of their own free agents. If you’re depending on year 1 impact from rookies to change your fortune, you’re probably not gonna be a good team.
Guys like Harris, Anzalone, Raymond, Brockers, aren’t giving you much of anything right now.
If you’re depending on year 1 impact from rookies to change your fortune, you’re probably not gonna be a good team.
Levi O is year 2.
And we don't even need a good defense to be a good team. Just one that isn't historic record-breaking in it's awfulness. We could be very competitive with a defense that's just bad as in "bottom half of the league" bad.
Last Edit: Oct 4, 2022 9:44:55 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
If you’re depending on year 1 impact from rookies to change your fortune, you’re probably not gonna be a good team.
Levi O is year 2.
And we don't even need a good defense to be a good team. Just one that isn't historic record-breaking in it's awfulness. We could be very competitive with a defense that's just bad as in "bottom half of the league" bad.
That pick is looking like a disaster and that’s on Holmes. Melifonwu is looking bad, too.
Still have a bigger issue with running it back with some of the same guys on D instead of looking for upgrades. Harris has looked nothing like the guy he was last year. Anzalone has looked like the guy he was last year, which is the issue. The best defensive FA move they probably made in the off-season was claiming Cominsky, who is of course hurt. The cupboard was bare on D, if they really wanted to compete for something this year, they should have been more aggressive in looking for veteran upgrades.
Post by Blaming Brad on Oct 4, 2022 11:17:43 GMT -6
I think Holmes is thinking more long-term. Even at full strength and if they "drafted guys who could contribute right away" they're still no better than a .500 team.
- Looking at Goff as a temporary stopgap rather than a near-stud when playing behind stud line.
This worries me since you're not the first person I've heard this week say this. Hell, those slappies on the Detroit Lions Podcast were even saying they might have to look at extending him. Goff should not be anything more than a stopgap, even if it's a 4 year stopgap (he is signed through 2024). Sure, like most quarterbacks he can be successful if everything around him is perfect, but you need everything to fall in place perfectly to win a Superbowl with that and I don't have any faith in this organization pulling that off. The best thing they can do is ride out Goff as long as they need to (don't extend him), and hope they hit on one of the QBs in the next 2 drafts. Looks like there should be 4-5 QBs in next year's draft worthy of a high pick.
And we don't even need a good defense to be a good team. Just one that isn't historic record-breaking in it's awfulness. We could be very competitive with a defense that's just bad as in "bottom half of the league" bad.
That pick is looking like a disaster and that’s on Holmes. Melifonwu is looking bad, too.
Still have a bigger issue with running it back with some of the same guys on D instead of looking for upgrades. Harris has looked nothing like the guy he was last year. Anzalone has looked like the guy he was last year, which is the issue. The best defensive FA move they probably made in the off-season was claiming Cominsky, who is of course hurt. The cupboard was bare on D, if they really wanted to compete for something this year, they should have been more aggressive in looking for veteran upgrades.
Well, that too. Like all the above.
But come ... on. Trading up in the first for a receiver. Then drafting an injured defensive player. With this historically awful defense, and an offense that clearly isn't desperate for playmakers. Surely with their 2nd and 3rd picks, along with the $$ they spent on Chark, they could have orchestrated something to get immediate help on the defensive side of the ball.
They completely looked past this season. This team will neverrr understand that it doesn't matter how many dazzling playmakers you have on offense. It's all about the offensive line. And when you have four probowl-caliber linemen, it's time to switch in to "win now" mode. That kind of an opportunity is not going to come along very often.
Last Edit: Oct 4, 2022 11:41:37 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
He drafts are actually more defensive picks. Having both your second round DL picks hurt has really been an issue, hopefully Paschall comes in and makes a difference.
I believe Chark is a short term deal, he won't be back but Williams should be good at WR. Holmes should have went after more D in FA I agree, they need some help in all areas of the D. Swift cannot stay healthy, I just hope Holmes doesn't go all Millen and keep chasing offense from here on out when the defense is that bad.
And I know there has been a lot of criticism of the players he has drafted especially the secondary, but these guys are young. Look at Okudah when he first started to now. There is still a hang over from the Quinn and a team devoid of talent having to thrust these young guys into the roster right away. I suspect DC dumbing things down, more zone, less blitzing. Makes me want to vomit but he doesn't have a choice with this young secondary.
What no one is talking about is the dead money...if I remember correctly, the Lions are out of dead money hell after this year. There wasnt a ton they could do in free agency...
Agree on Anzalone...I suspect the Lions had their eye on someone else and it fell through and were left with the only option was to bring him back....
My way to early suspicion is this years draft and free agency will be D heavy, letting Chark go and rolling with the O we have....
Post by badnews3123 on Oct 4, 2022 20:56:10 GMT -6
I think they had around 35-40 million in cap space this off-season, they had money to spend. I think they just have a plan on how they are going to build this roster and they won’t deviate much from it. They’re not at the point in this build that they’re going to be real aggressive in FA, which is where the 1-2 year deals make sense.
With the draft, it’s obviously way too early and you shouldn’t draft for year 1 impact, but I think the issue is less the investment they’ve put in and more who they’ve invested in. 2 day 2 picks and an early day 3 that you moved up for giving you almost nothing in year 2. Hopefully there’s still time for some of that to be salvaged, but it doesn’t look good.
Post by goldenlions on Oct 4, 2022 22:34:58 GMT -6
You guys think GM's in the league hit at 100%?
Complaining about the guys that haven't contributed (who should have) and not the guys who did (who you shouldn't always expect).
I am pissed at the defense and Brad Holmes lack of getting some better talent and he is on a thin line with me. But I am pretty sure this wasn't going to be 2 year turn around on defense despite what others seen in other teams. They had no real talent on defense, they did on offense and look what it is doing. Now BH just need to pucker up and get some defensive talent in here in the next offseason, or he and MCDC are just going to be another in the long line of GM/coach failures.
35-40 mil doesnt go very far when youre filling +/- 20 roster spots with that....
It can go as far as you want it to, I mean we’ve seen some teams up against the cap make some major signings. It’s right around what they’ll have this year, unless they cut Goff. I just don’t think the FO was at a point they were going to be aggressive in FA. Which I don’t have a major issue with. I have bigger issue with them using a big chunk of it to bring back mostly the same guys on D.
Last Edit: Oct 5, 2022 6:22:47 GMT -6 by badnews3123
I think you guys have made good points on all this. Cap issues, some of the picks have not panned out yet, injuries, and just bad scheme and situational football. Many factors are contributing to this defensive failure. DC is an offensive guy, AG is a rookie coordinator. You can also add lack of experience with the staff. Like we have seen with some of the game management from DC, we are also seeing this with AG.
I think you guys have made good points on all this. Cap issues, some of the picks have not panned out yet, injuries, and just bad scheme and situational football. Many factors are contributing to this defensive failure. DC is an offensive guy, AG is a rookie coordinator. You can also add lack of experience with the staff. Like we have seen with some of the game management from DC, we are also seeing this with AG.
To your point, I think it may have been premature to let Dom Capers go.
It was too soon to take the training wheels off Glenn.
Post by Blaming Brad on Oct 5, 2022 8:56:52 GMT -6
I do find it funny how in the span of 2 weeks AG essentially went from one of the hot future head coach candidates to people calling for him to be fired from his coordinator position.
I do find it funny how in the span of 2 weeks AG essentially went from one of the hot future head coach candidates to people calling for him to be fired from his coordinator position.
Maybe a few fans are saying that, but you have to admit his optics were pretty off the mark with the schemes he was calling. I didn't quite know how bad it was watching the game until a went back and looked at it again. I like aggressive press coverage and I lothe soft zone bend but don't break defense. But these young guys can't be in man with no safety help all the time. Minimum man under 2 deep zone. Be smart with the blitzing.
I do find it funny how in the span of 2 weeks AG essentially went from one of the hot future head coach candidates to people calling for him to be fired from his coordinator position.
The only funny part is that he was being touted as a hot candidate in the first place.
I do find it funny how in the span of 2 weeks AG essentially went from one of the hot future head coach candidates to people calling for him to be fired from his coordinator position.
The only funny part is that he was being touted as a hot candidate in the first place.
The reality of the situation is that there is a push for minority candidates to be interviewed and hired in the NFL today. If he had any optics of potential he was going to get talked about and get interviews. Just like the OC in KC that keeps getting interviewed but no one hires him.... The offense has been prolific and he's the OC........guess he doesn't interview well though/has a bad rep.