Post by Blaming Brad on Oct 22, 2023 15:42:05 GMT -6
I think it's fair to revisit this. Yeah, Goff's run in the last 16 or so games has been impressive. I'm still not convinced he is the guy to take this team to the promised land. I think you can win with him but if everything isn't lined up you're in trouble as we saw today. Was actually thinking today would have been a great game to see what Hooker has to offer.
Post by badnews3123 on Oct 22, 2023 15:58:59 GMT -6
He’s not a guy that’s gonna cut a deficit and bring you back. He’s shown that throughout his career and you saw some of the ugly creep back today. Still, you’d like to expect your team to not get into those type of holes. And while I think some of the mid game issues point more to Goff, the early game issues when it was bad was to me the defense and play calling.
It was a bad day overall for everyone. A couple guys may have had ok days, but that’s it. Goff has bought enough goodwill with me to give him some more time to bounce back.
Post by Blaming Brad on Jan 2, 2024 16:38:18 GMT -6
Sort of lost in all the controversy was how poorly Goff played in the Dallas game. He definitely threw some nice passes and sort of redeemed himself with that final drive (although he then botched the 2 point pass to Mitchell) but overall still inconsistent and makes mistakes a veteran like him shouldn't make.
Sort of lost in all the controversy was how poorly Goff played in the Dallas game. He definitely threw some nice passes and sort of redeemed himself with that final drive (although he then botched the 2 point pass to Mitchell) but overall still inconsistent and makes mistakes a veteran like him shouldn't make.
Yeah, that bomb to Jamo was a great ball. Probably the best one he’s thrown to him in 2 years.
Didn’t think I’d say this, but I wish Johnson would let him cut it loose more in the middle of the game. Feel like the opening drive with the script will and if they need to late, in the middle it just feels like a lot of screens and underneath stuff. Of course some of that may be Goff not pulling the trigger too.
Post by snowpiercer on Jan 2, 2024 20:29:33 GMT -6
Goff has tied Stafford's 11-5 record as a Lions QB. A win this week would make Goff's record as a lions QB 12-5. Stafford did have a 12-5 record with the Rams in the Super Bowl year for the Rams. Looks like the Rams and the Lions are going to play each other in the Playoffs. Interesting
Goff has tied Stafford's 11-5 record as a Lions QB. A win this week would make Goff's record as a lions QB 12-5. Stafford did have a 12-5 record with the Rams in the Super Bowl year for the Rams.
Goff proved himself, also during the press conference by calling it how it happened publicly. That's real shit. That last drive was epic, it makes you wonder why he doesn't do that more often. I think all the plays to set up plays and whatever gets bogged down a lot, why not just two minute it kinda sorta most of the game? Light a fire under Goff's ass and the dude is a killer.
Goff has tied Stafford's 11-5 record as a Lions QB. A win this week would make Goff's record as a lions QB 12-5. Stafford did have a 12-5 record with the Rams in the Super Bowl year for the Rams.
What's your point?
I guess the small point would be that Goff could end up with the most wins in a Lions season ever. Now does that make him the long term answer? I guess that would depend on what you are looking for in a QB. But it does make an argument for keeping him. I don't really see the Lions moving on from Goff. Especially if he leads the Lions to wins in a playoff game or two. Obviously, he isn't a QB in the style of Lamar Jackson if you prefer that type of QB. And Lamar is very special...if he stays healthy and on the field. But I think history has shown that the QB longevity of these dual threat QB's is pretty short. It is a bit longer now with the crackdown on vicious hits. But still these dual threat QB's still take a pretty good thumping every now and then.
You know, it's probably in this thread somewhere, but I don't care to look it, or maybe it's not and I saw it elsewhere, but I've seen comments about Goffs leadership style not being good...I know Grover Quin made comments that he wouldn't like Goffs style...
That said...man, this team, at least yhe O has rallied around him....look at Deckers comments, St Brown talking about wanting to win the Rams game for Goff, the locker room chanting his name as he walked in...
yeah, I feel pretty good saying his leadership style is doing just fine...
Post by goldenlions on Jan 16, 2024 23:25:26 GMT -6
I expect that Goff will be signed to a longer deal now. I am fine with it as it will mostly be backloaded for cap purposes and they can deal with it at that time.
The team loves him, the coach loves him, fans seem to have come around. But the biggest of them all is the GM seems to love him. But if Holmes want to just play the wait game and franchise him if he has another good year, so be it.
I’ll throw some controversy in the mix. I got to the game on Sunday in time for warmups and I was watching the QBs. Hooker had a butter smooth and effortless throw.
But we all know it take more than arm talent to succeed in the NFL.
I’ll trust Holmes to make the right decision. But frankly if Goff wins this weekend, I can’t see a scenario where Goff isn’t the guy moving forward.
That's what it comes down to. While Goff has exceeded my expectations, he ain't Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow/Allen so hopefully Holmes recognizes that and doesn't pay him that way. I do think the smartest thing to do would be let Goff ride out the current contract which gives you more time to evaluate Hooker. You can always franchise him in 2025.
That's what it comes down to. While Goff has exceeded my expectations, he ain't Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow/Allen so hopefully Holmes recognizes that and doesn't pay him that way. I do think the smartest thing to do would be let Goff ride out the current contract which gives you more time to evaluate Hooker. You can always franchise him in 2025.
I don’t think you can let Goff go into next year without a new deal. In theory, makes sense, but just not practical. Think it’s more about being smart with the length and structure.
I don’t think you can let Goff go into next year without a new deal. In theory, makes sense, but just not practical.
Why not? You don't think Goff's ego can handle it?
I'd feel better about extending Goff if Hooker didn't just turn 26.
I don’t think any QB would be happy about going into a season on the last year of a deal. I really don’t think a QB that is coming off a very good season and just led you to a division title and your first playoff victory in 30 years would be happy at all. I also think it’s a bad look to the players in the locker room and players around the league.
You don’t have to hand him a blank check, but you extend him and I think it’s likely that the front office and Goff can figure out a deal that’s smart for both short and long term.
I did not read through this entire thread; only since the January '24 posts. The more recent comments sums up the most important points; what is relevant in the here and now. That said, here's my thoughts from "back then", to now, as well as my hope for the immediate future.
Goff was never intended to be a stopgap. That's what the fans pigeon-holed him to be. Hey! It was a safe bet and a good way to look at things in a "worst case scenario". But I truly believe that Holmes knew and believed that Goff could not only hold the QB position, but that he could build around Goff. I firmly believe that Goff's strengths are why we see such great distribution of the ball between so many receiving threats. Fer fukk's sake! I can't recall a time we had seven players who we could claim as reliable receivers.
Next, I don't think age 30 is as big of a detriment to QB's as it is to other positions. Especially in the modern NFL. However, Goff does have some limitations and I am absolutely convinced that his biggest weakness is the reason JMo hasn't "busted out", yet. I don't think the guy is comfortable with the deep ball.
I'm also going to admit that I'm on the Hooker train. Unfortunately, I think we have a unique situation that leaves us no choice but to trust in Brad Holmes and the coaching staff. Goff has exceeded my expectations, but I also don't see him as a QB that can truly elevate the offense regularly enough to carry them with the ease that I think the offensive talent should allow. Hooker may not be that guy, either, but I do think he's the better athlete and definitely has the bigger arm.
We're gonna have to trust Brad Holmes and, to be honest, his track record suggests that we should do just that.
And I do agree. All the good and bad and any of the what if's...it's a lot easier to get worse at QB than it is to get better.
Goff has earned a contract extension. I'm just hoping for a smart one that allows the Lions to make a change, if and when it becomes necessary.
I do think Goff is a team player and would not have a terrible problem (aside from the natural emotions) stepping aside and mentoring his replacement, if it were best for the team.
Last Edit: Jan 19, 2024 10:09:54 GMT -6 by sanders97
Is it possible the Lions don't re-sign Goff this off-season to get a full look at Hooker next year? You still have him under contract for another year and can always franchise....
Is it possible the Lions don't re-sign Goff this off-season to get a full look at Hooker next year? You still have him under contract for another year and can always franchise....
That's exactly what I've been saying they should do (look at my post above from 1/17). badnews3123 seems to think it wouldn't be a good look for the franchise. Not sure I agree with that, but I also do think they end up extending him. I just hope the extension gives them an easy out in 2 years. They do need to find out of Hooker is the QB of the future though. You spent a 3rd round pick on a 25 year old that couldn't play his rookie year...it would be dumb to give Goff a new deal without knowing what you have in Hooker.
The chances he does not get an offer to get extended is .00001%.
Now that all depended on how much and how long of a deal it is and how much Goff wants to be in Detroit.
He wants to be here, we want him here. If he wants chance to win the SB it is here..it is now... so I think all those things are aligned and it happens. I also think Goff takes a deal that is cap friendly so Holmes has some capital to spend to make a run.
The Lions wants him, and let's be honest Hooker has done nothing yet.
dumb to give Goff a new deal without knowing what you have in Hooker.
It's also dumb to think that Hooker is going to be better than Goff. Maybe not you specifically (but it kind of sounds like you might lean that way) but a lot of smooth brains of this fanbase. Not sure what you will see out of Hooker other than pre-season or if Goff get injured.
Personally, I'd be shocked if the Lions or Goff want to roll the dice. A deal will happen. People will bitch that it is too much and then forget about it when a lesser QB get just as much or more.