Ten bucks it will be this T that keeps us from a wildcard berth. I can see it already. You can't make this shit up. I can hear the commentators now, "Boy if the Lions would have beat the Cardinals in week 1 when they were up 18 in the fourth they'd be in the playoffs...."
While I'm sure this game will not be what keeps them out of the playoffs, it is amazing how the Lions continue to come up with new ways of losing (funny, I really see this tie as a loss). "Hey guys, have we lost yet where the OC calls timeout for no reason right when we would have had the game iced? No? Well, we better get on that."
This team playoffs. Vikes, Bears, and Packers will sweep this Lions team I saw today.
Last Edit: Sept 9, 2019 4:22:23 GMT -6 by liongeezer
They lacked pass rush in the 4th because they chose to. They didn’t have issue getting after Murray for first 3 quarters, then they decided to play it safe.
What game were you watching?
They were dropping more in coverage in the 4th, but not like they were blitzing a ton eithier. The 4 man pass rush was virtually invisible all game, that's my point.
Way to let the rookie QB who you had rattled for 3 quarters get in a groove while we sit back in prevent defense. Stupid penalties all game. Got too conservative on both offense and defense with that 18 point lead, no killer instinct again with yet another coaching staff. What a cluster fuck of a 2nd half all around.
And it’s being overlooked how bad a play they ran after the timeout. All you need is a first down really and game is over. Why run vertical al routes?
I noticed that too
The downfield pass game was very unimaginative. I was concerned if Stafford could connect with Golloday and Jones in this offense. Lots of dink and dunk to backs, clear out routes by Galloday and Jones to get TJ open. They were not much if a factor, Amendola seemed to be the main target from the WRs.
The only POSITIVE I SEE going into next week, is that they realize they have to put teams away now and maybe they can learn from this !!But seriously, the PLAY AFTER CALLING TIMEOUT?
Are you serious? How do you go 4 vertical on the biggest 3rd and 5 of the game AND that was WHY YOU CALLED TIMEOUT? What am I missing here?
Ok I'm done talking about it, this just defies ALL LOGIC...someone once said HELL is the impossibility of reason and common sense, well welcome to HELL
I want to say this is an improvement over last years ass whippin that the Jet's gave us on opening day. Arizona may be more formidable than folks thought..I will give them some kudos. Murray got better as the game went along. The Lions looked dead tired there at the end. First game..., Looks like conditioning is a concern...And the building there is climate controlled....I don't know..Offense looked better...Arizona's D looked like they came to play..especially the pass rush. Decker looked like a human turnstile..Oh well, a game they should have won. There is always a way to keep from winning, Lions have got that down pat
They lacked pass rush in the 4th because they chose to. They didn’t have issue getting after Murray for first 3 quarters, then they decided to play it safe.
What game were you watching?
They were dropping more in coverage in the 4th, but not like they were blitzing a ton eithier. The 4 man pass rush was virtually invisible all game, that's my point.
They weren’t doing anything creative in the fourth. They were throwing different looks at him early in the game, disguising blitzes, using varied fronts. They were getting in his face and confusing him for 3 quarters. They decided to play cover 3 and 4 and do nothing up front in 4th in hopes they’d eat up clock on their drives and they could run clock out. Which they basically did until the timeout. Still they went conservative and it burned them.
They were dropping more in coverage in the 4th, but not like they were blitzing a ton eithier. The 4 man pass rush was virtually invisible all game, that's my point.
They weren’t doing anything creative in the fourth. They were throwing different looks at him early in the game, disguising blitzes, using varied fronts. They were getting in his face and confusing him for 3 quarters. They decided to play cover 3 and 4 and do nothing up front in 4th in hopes they’d eat up clock on their drives and they could run clock out. Which they basically did until the timeout. Still they went conservative and it burned them.
And why wasn't Slay locked on Fitzgerald? The guy was killing you in the 4th quarter and had the hot hand, lock your best corner in him; don't let him get on your safeties..that's is mismatch.
They weren’t doing anything creative in the fourth. They were throwing different looks at him early in the game, disguising blitzes, using varied fronts. They were getting in his face and confusing him for 3 quarters. They decided to play cover 3 and 4 and do nothing up front in 4th in hopes they’d eat up clock on their drives and they could run clock out. Which they basically did until the timeout. Still they went conservative and it burned them.
And why wasn't Slay locked on Fitzgerald? The guy was killing you in the 4th quarter and had the hot hand, lock your best corner in him; don't let him get on your safeties..that's is mismatch.
Walker should be able to cover Fitzgerald. He was actually in good position on both throws, just went to the Nevin Lawson school of close but not good enough.
But overall in OT they started playing more aggressive again and they were able to cause Murray some issues. He was 5-10 in OT.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 9, 2019 10:43:29 GMT -6
This post kind of encompasses a lot of my issues with PFF.
1. They take a contrarian point sometimes I think just to try and get attention to go against tide. Sometimes they’re right, other times it’s just to get attention, like Tom Brady is done.
2. The tweet itself is misleading. Did anyone really think Lions were playing “prevent” in OT of a tie game? It was mainly 2 drives in the 4th quarter.
3. They played “mostly man”. This is probably correct. I haven’t seen coaches film yet on gamepass. They did play some zone elements to try and help with pick routes Cardinals were using. That said, this implies playing man can’t fall under “prevent”. Prevent isn’t any one formation, it’s a philosphy of limiting big plays. Teams aren’t going to change massively, they’re going to play under base and try to limit the offense to shorter hits to eat clock up. Lions can be playing man under or other man coverages and still be playing “prevent”.
4. I had more issue with the fronts. They didn’t vary fronts, change looks, disguise blitzes, blitz really at all, when Murray had struggled with that for 3 quarters. So they changed what some of what they were doing up front.
5. The D was gassed. The offense had gone somewhat conservative and got off the field quickly and Cards were playing up-tempo and with a lot of short completions that adds to a lot of time on the field. You want to stop that, force incompletions, not going to do that with D they were playing. Cards ran 44 plays in first 3 quarters. They ran 26 in 4th to Lions 15. And before final drive in 4th when it was tied, Lions threw 3 passes. They took foot off the gas.
Post by goldenlions on Sept 9, 2019 10:58:48 GMT -6
PFF is a joke, they use guys with no real football background who live in Bulgaria to do their analysis. I think they are a the biggest shame in media.
There was definitely a noticeable lack of pressure on the QB on those TD drives by the Cards. It could be they just didn't have the gas to continue it on the line or just bad play calling.
Post by badnews3123 on Sept 9, 2019 11:34:59 GMT -6
I think they have some good analysts and do some good work, but they’re grading is what I generally find issues with. I think it can be rushed to get content out and lacking info.
Example, their re-focused article talked about Tracy Walker having a rough day. Their grading had him as highest rated defender on the team.
I already deleted the game off my DVR, I do think they were running some zone which is why Fitz was getting to the safeties. The only guy killing us was Fitz, why not lock Slay on him? Either way just bad adjustments. And I agree...the DL was invisible. There was no prevent, but they weren't playing bump and run ethier. One announcer said the Lions were "Rallying up to make a play keeping the pass plays in front of them", they were definitely running some zone. Again they may of had to with no pass rush. I saw Tavai blitzing several times, not the guy you want to have rush the passer..he played a good game, burt I question the scheme in the 4th Q.
Post by goldenlions on Sept 9, 2019 12:26:31 GMT -6
Yeah it was almost like someone told the coaches, blow this game and we will give you $10 million dollars or like some stupid movie Patricia got a phone call saying, let the Cardinals cover or your kids get hurt bullshit. '
Yeah it was almost like someone told the coaches, blow this game and we will give you $10 million dollars or like some stupid movie Patricia got a phone call saying, let the Cardinals cover or your kids get hurt bullshit. '
Yeah it was like a total dive. That might be the only explanation.
Reeve-Maybin is good at special teams and the run BUT NOT against the pass. He face planted on that david Johnson TD and should NEVER BE COVERING ANYONE - I just had to say this last part.
But yeah, something was very f'd up about this game. IT WAS OVER!
Post by Blaming Brad on Sept 9, 2019 20:08:36 GMT -6
I was re-watching some of the game and the play after that botched timeout pretty much exemplified the Detroit Lions and what they are as an organization - a complete joke. Coming into the the next play, rather than just put it behind them and move on, players and the sideline were noticeably flustered by what had just happened and I don't think they were even ready to call a play (they almost didn't get the play off AGAIN. AFTER A TIMEOUT). Stafford and the coaching staff should have just shut the hell up and moved on to the next play. I know people hate the comparison, but you know who never would have let that happen? The Patriots.
I wonder if Bevell really called that time out and Patrica was covering for him? Just the body language on the sideline made me think that may have been the case.
Here is the clip, Patricia looks pissed, Bevell sure has a guilty look on his face talking to Stafford.
Oh please, something like this has happened to every team, one time or another, even the Pats. Don't kid yourself.
Just so we're clear, I'm not talking about the timeout itself (sure stuff like that happens all the time). I'm talking about what happened on the next play and the fact that the coaches and players couldn't keep their composure and just focus on that next play. No way a Belichick/Brady led team lets that happen.
I wonder if Bevell really called that time out and Patrica was covering for him? Just the body language on the sideline made me think that may have been the case.
Here is the clip, Patricia looks pissed, Bevell sure has a guilty look on his face talking to Stafford.
I think Bevell called it. They showed the clip of him that looked like he was signaling for it. I know rule states he technically can’t, but they have someone designated for it with Patricia’s injury. He was also likely in the headset saying timeout.
Post by Blaming Brad on Sept 10, 2019 7:16:45 GMT -6
Bevel definitely was the one that gave the signal, but yeah Patricia could have told him to. Or he could just be covering for him. Either way, I'm kind of over that and like badnews said it's more about the call after that. All 4 receivers ran vertical routes. WTF?
Last Edit: Sept 10, 2019 7:17:03 GMT -6 by Blaming Brad
Bevel definitely was the one that gave the signal, but yeah Patricia could have told him to. Or he could just be covering for him. Either way, I'm kind of over that and like badnews said it's more about the call after that. All 4 receivers ran vertical routes. WTF?
I don’t know what coverage AZ was in yet(gamepass just posted it), but I just can’t imagine why that’s what you come out with. Especially when a lot of the passing success had come from short and intermediate. Just seemed like Bevell outsmarted himself.
I don’t know what coverage AZ was in yet(gamepass just posted it), but I just can’t imagine why that’s what you come out with. Especially when a lot of the passing success had come from short and intermediate. Just seemed like Bevell outsmarted himself.
I honestly think they were so flustered by the previous play that they really didn't have anything called, or maybe at the last second just told everyone to get open and all 4 knuckleheads ran straight out.
Post by goldenlions on Sept 10, 2019 7:38:23 GMT -6
That or they thought they would be smart and try to throw AZ off.
Just so you know, Bevell can't call a timeout. The only one on the sidelines that can call a timeout is Patricia, he motioned over to Patricia who would be back in AZ secondary with 2-3 seconds on the playclock and the ref in the backfield was the one who whistled for the timeout. But I think Patricia just trusted Bevell's judgement in that situation and called the timeout (somehow) before the ball was snapped. When they panned over to Patricia later, you could see he was disgusted.
That or they thought they would be smart and try to throw AZ off.
Just so you know, Bevell can't call a timeout. The only one on the sidelines that can call a timeout is Patricia, he motioned over to Patricia who would be back in AZ secondary with 2-3 seconds on the playclock and the ref in the backfield was the one who whistled for the timeout. But I think Patricia just trusted Bevell's judgement in that situation and called the timeout (somehow) before the ball was snapped. When they panned over to Patricia later, you could see he was disgusted.
Bevell was signaling it, so he was also likely saying it over the headset.
Also saw something Lions had someone designated that could call TO’s because of Patricia having limited mobility.