The swine flu was about the same thus far and it didn't receive as much panic. It is possible, seeing as to how there are some sick f's in the world, that this manmade thing was released to hurt TRump's economy in an election and it got out of control. Who is to say? Too early to tell, but at this point nothing shocks me anymore. I can't imagine Biden winning unless they rig it with mail in ballots.
The swine flu was about the same thus far and it didn't receive as much panic. It is possible, seeing as to how there are some sick f's in the world, that this manmade thing was released to hurt TRump's economy in an election and it got out of control. Who is to say? Too early to tell, but at this point nothing shocks me anymore. I can't imagine Biden winning unless they rig it with mail in ballots.
Do you know the difference between the flu and a virus?
Not completely Dr. Dane, but from what I've learned this virus spreads much like the flu. I'm not a Doctor though, but hopefully it passes through soon. We are all doing are best to get through it and stay safe. All I know is it sucks. Be safe everyone. Have a brewski or glass of wine and remember a glass of scotch apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Post by Blaming Brad on Apr 5, 2020 17:20:36 GMT -6
There are actually still people going to the "this is no different than the flu" well? Wow. I guess now we know what Winston Churchill was talking about when he said, "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."
There are actually still people going to the "this is no different than the flu" well? Wow. I guess now we know what Winston Churchill was talking about when he said, "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."
I never said this is no different than the flu. I said it spreads like the flu. I get it's real and it's wretched, but it spreads exactly the same way H1N1 spread. I also get it spreads much more rapid. But the way in which is spreads is flu like, it just spreads faster. I get it. I am not downplaying it, but just saying.
So if it spreads faster than the flu, how does it spread like the flu?
In the same way Dr. Oz. Like coughing, sneezing, a contagion, like from the spew from someone else.
Okay, I see what you mean. But like you said, it seems to spread faster than the flu which indicates there is something else to it that we don't even know yet. I've seen some theories that it can stay in the air longer after someone coughs/sneezes/breathes.
In the same way Dr. Oz. Like coughing, sneezing, a contagion, like from the spew from someone else.
Okay, I see what you mean. But like you said, it seems to spread faster than the flu which indicates there is something else to it that we don't even know yet. I've seen some theories that it can stay in the air longer after someone coughs/sneezes/breathes.
It spreads faster than the flu because it's a new strain and no one has any immunities built against it I would assume.
Okay, I see what you mean. But like you said, it seems to spread faster than the flu which indicates there is something else to it that we don't even know yet. I've seen some theories that it can stay in the air longer after someone coughs/sneezes/breathes.
It spreads faster than the flu because it's a new strain and no one has any immunities built against it I would assume.
Okay, I see what you mean. But like you said, it seems to spread faster than the flu which indicates there is something else to it that we don't even know yet. I've seen some theories that it can stay in the air longer after someone coughs/sneezes/breathes.
It spreads faster than the flu because it's a new strain and no one has any immunities built against it I would assume.
Possibly, but there are new strains of flu every year as well and they don't overrun the Healthcare system.
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The economic fall out is going to be disastrous if we dont get the economy moving again real soon. We are already probably looking at a year to recover if we started back to work tomorrow.
A dish towel has the same filtration properties as a surgical mask. I'd say we all go to the kitchen grab a dish towel and some duct tape and get on with things, at least economically and get back to work. We can land a man on the moon 50 year ago, but let a preventable virus bring us down...it's fucked up. Makes you wonder, I'm not saying this isn't dangerous because it is, but we nees to do better than this. We need to do something.
but there are new strains of flu every year as well and they don't overrun the Healthcare system.
This is incorrect.
There are many known strains of influenza and the flu vaccine is made based on models of the strains that will be circulating that year. Prior exposure to the strain going around prevent those who have good immune systems from developing it again. There really hasn't been a novel flu virus in some time. H1N1 is one that was not seen for a while and that cause an issue about 10 years ago. Most people fight off any flu virus, but those people that are immunocomprised or have never been exposed can get sick/die each year.
Whereas, the Vid is a novel virus and infecting many more people. In the future, there will be more people immune to this virus and this will just be another blip where you it still infects/kills those that never had it and have health issues or are immunocompromised but not to the levels we are seeing it today.
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There are many known strains of influenza and the flu vaccine is made based on models of the strains that will be circulating that year. Prior exposure to the strain going around prevent those who have good immune systems from developing it again. There really hasn't been a novel flu virus in some time. H1N1 is one that was not seen for a while and that cause an issue about 10 years ago. Most people fight off any flu virus, but those people that are immunocomprised or have never been exposed can get sick/die each year.
Whereas, the Vid is a novel virus and infecting many more people. In the future, there will be more people immune to this virus and this will just be another blip where you it still infects/kills those that never had it and have health issues or are immunocompromised but not to the levels we are seeing it today.
Thanks for the clarification golden. So how do they determine which strains will circulate that year? And if there aren't any new strains, why do people get a flu shot every year?
Thanks for the clarification golden. So how do they determine which strains will circulate that year? And if there aren't any new strains, why do people get a flu shot every year?
They usually try to follow what strains were most prevalent the previous year and they can also will look at strains that are circulating in the southern hemisphere during our spring and summer. Most flu vaccines have either 3 or 4 inactivated strains (typically 2 Flu A virus and 1 or 2 Flu B virus) and they try to get the ones most common seen. It isn't a perfect model as sometimes other strains will arise that haven't been seen in a while. I think most influenza vaccine take about 1-2 months to manufacture. While a new strain might take several months to a year to develop, test and manufacture (kind of like what it will take for COVID-19, if they can produce an effective vaccine).
Shelter in place but she's really pushing it. A lot of people are getting upset. She doesn't want people to travel to their cottages, which I get in a way to stop spreading it. But she shut down nurseries, plants, landscaping businesses, golf courses, will soon have police checkpoints in places, where police will ask where you are going, etc. And if there is a gathering of more than 5 to 10 people, she encourages people to call in their neighbors. It's getting a bit much. I heard she wants to shut all grocery stores down and just do delivery, but so many old people don't know how that works, it'd end up killing a lot of people, who are already freaking out. She just spreads fear and plays the authoritarian role well.
Shelter in place but she's really pushing it. A lot of people are getting upset. She doesn't want people to travel to their cottages, which I get in a way to stop spreading it. But she shut down nurseries, plants, landscaping businesses, golf courses, will soon have police checkpoints in places, where police will ask where you are going, etc. And if there is a gathering of more than 5 to 10 people, she encourages people to call in their neighbors. It's getting a bit much. I heard she wants to shut all grocery stores down and just do delivery, but so many old people don't know how that works, it'd end up killing a lot of people, who are already freaking out. She just spreads fear and plays the authoritarian role well.
Italy has been devastated by the virus because early on they didn't take any of this serious and were slow in reacting. For the last three weeks, doctors in Italy have been picking and choosing who is going to live or die. They have so many dead bodies they don't know what to do with them. Many people that are sick with other issues can't get medical attention. The same thing could happen here, if we do not take this serious. We have so much information from other countries on what to do and what not to do! Keeping people safe should be our top priority.
It is a fact that we do not have enough hospital beds and testing. Is it really such a big sacrifice to give up golf and fresh mulch for a few months? If you allow people to gather on the golf courses it sets a bad example. I find it hard to believe that so many people in his country are eager to go to war and sacrifice human life on both sides over oil. Those same people don't seem to care about saving the maximum number of human life by making a few scarifies.
I'm libertarian minded and don't like either political party however thank GOD for the liberals right now. I'll take overkill any day over more dead bodies! FUCK THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT, red necks and Trump loving fucks! They are dangerous for this country.
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Post by Blaming Brad on Apr 11, 2020 7:43:38 GMT -6
It's shocking to me that Michigan is only now doing all of that. I'm in PA and everything but essential businesses have been shut down for nearly a month now. I've probably left my house 3 times in the past month. What Michigan is doing is what most other populated states have been doing for weeks now.
Shelter in place but she's really pushing it. A lot of people are getting upset. She doesn't want people to travel to their cottages, which I get in a way to stop spreading it. But she shut down nurseries, plants, landscaping businesses, golf courses, will soon have police checkpoints in places, where police will ask where you are going, etc. And if there is a gathering of more than 5 to 10 people, she encourages people to call in their neighbors. It's getting a bit much. I heard she wants to shut all grocery stores down and just do delivery, but so many old people don't know how that works, it'd end up killing a lot of people, who are already freaking out. She just spreads fear and plays the authoritarian role well.
Italy has been devastated by the virus because early on they didn't take any of this serious and were slow in reacting. For the last three weeks, doctors in Italy have been picking and choosing who is going to live or die. They have so many dead bodies they don't know what to do with them. Many people that are sick with other issues can't get medical attention. The same thing could happen here, if we do not take this serious. We have so much information from other countries on what to do and what not to do! Keeping people safe should be our top priority.
It is a fact that we do not have enough hospital beds and testing. Is it really such a big sacrifice to give up golf and fresh mulch for a few months? If you allow people to gather on the golf courses it sets a bad example. I find it hard to believe that so many people in his country are eager to go to war and sacrifice human life on both sides over oil. Those same people don't seem to care about saving the maximum number of human life by making a few scarifies.
I'm libertarian minded and don't like either political party however thank GOD for the liberals right now. I'll take overkill any day over more dead bodies! FUCK THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT, red necks and Trump loving fucks! They are dangerous for this country.
I am not a Bible thumping right winger, I am just anti-media and bullshit. I don't mind these sacrifices and mindless Michiganders are freaking out, because they want to go boating or whatever. I understand many have died and will die if we don't nip this in the bud, but her approach is ridiculous. She misplaced 150k masks a few weeks ago and blamed the federal GOV, a GOP oversight, said the masks were delivered, so she lied. Anyways, I understand your point, staying home isn't a big deal, and sacrificing is a must, but I'm far from a red neck, just can't stand Hillary Clinton.
So MI is putti g checkpoints in place? Seriously? Under what law?
See, im kind of with Tech...Im more libertarian than anything, so laws against liberties gets my hackles up. That said, im ok with shelter in place, closing non essential businesses, etc if need be....but im seeing stuff like $1000 fine if not wearing a facemask and talk of curfews and it starts being a little much to me. If the government requires me to wear a facemask, they better provide one. But what good is a curfew? I want to drive to look look at some stars by myself or my SO, none of the governments business. Checkpoints? Stupid, all that does is create more interaction with people.
So MI is putti g checkpoints in place? Seriously? Under what law?
See, im kind of with Tech...Im more libertarian than anything, so laws against liberties gets my hackles up. That said, im ok with shelter in place, closing non essential businesses, etc if need be....but im seeing stuff like $1000 fine if not wearing a facemask and talk of curfews and it starts being a little much to me. If the government requires me to wear a facemask, they better provide one. But what good is a curfew? I want to drive to look look at some stars by myself or my SO, none of the governments business. Checkpoints? Stupid, all that does is create more interaction with people.