Forensic audits should be welcomed by all, if not, then a total investigation should be performed at all costs.
Who's going to pay for these forensic audits? I take it you think we should just print more money on top of all the other money we've been printing. You ever hear of the old phrase "bigger fish to fry?" If not, then I'll explain. It means we've got bigger fish to fry.
I don't know how much bigger of a pan they need, because this has always been an issue going back to Gore-Bush. If they don't figure it out and the Dems loose you thing the rioting and looting was bad before???
Who's going to pay for these forensic audits? I take it you think we should just print more money on top of all the other money we've been printing. You ever hear of the old phrase "bigger fish to fry?" If not, then I'll explain. It means we've got bigger fish to fry.
I don't know how much bigger of a pan they need, because this has always been an issue going back to Gore-Bush. If they don't figure it out and the Dems loose you thing the rioting and looting was bad before???
Well then I think this issue is settled.
We need to have the elections nationally televised. Each individual citizen of the country should have the opportunity to cast their ballot publicly, on national television, with their choice visible for all to see. We need to have a pile of beans for each candidate. With beans added respectfully for each vote. Once the voting is complete, we need to hire an independent auditing firm to count each bean. Again, all nationally televised to ensure accuracy. If the auditor loses count, then we need to throw all beans away, and start the entire process over from the beginning.
1) We could propose an amendment to the constitution making "winner take all" unconstitutional. Meaning we either go by popular vote, or a weighted average (i.e. if you win Illinois by 80%, then you get 80% of the electoral delegates).
2) We could (gasp!) go by popular vote (oh noooo!!!!)
3) We could rule the primary system unconstitutional, and allow people to cast two votes: 1 for their first choice, and 1 for their second choice.
Any one of these options should help break the usual outcome of 50% of the vote going to the democrat and 50% going to the republican and all of the usual bickering over whether the deciding 1-3% of the vote was counted accurately.
Post by Blaming Brad on Aug 5, 2021 10:46:56 GMT -6
OR
How about get rid of the party system completely and just have people vote based on, you know, the actual issues rather than based on whatever party they think they're affiliated with even though they have no idea what their party actually stands for.
How about get rid of the party system completely and just have people vote based on, you know, the actual issues rather than based on whatever party they think they're affiliated with even though they have no idea what their party actually stands for.
That might be the dumbest thing youve ever said.
Oops, sorry, habit.
That might be the *smartest* thing youve ever said.
This is fucking deja vu with Trump. In 2017 he had a commission formed to find the 3 to 5 million votes that were illegally cast in the 2016 election. Just a coincidence that he lost the general election by over 3 million votes. In 2018, the Democrats had to sue the Rep's to release the results that showed nothing was found even in the ten's or hundreds. In 2020 Trump forms a commission to ensure the integrity of the election and his own, hand picked head of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security, Christopher Krebs, is subsequently fired after he confirms the election was the most secure ever. Then the biggest fucking weasel under his thumb, Barr, resigns rather than claim that the election was corrupt. Just what in the actual fuck does it take to prove to the fucking Trump sheep that there was no fraud? I loved it when the Texas assistant attorney general offered a reward of a half million to get evidence of fraud and the Pennsylvania people got back to him about the guy they arrested for killing his wife so he could use her ballot to vote for Trump. Ballots have been counted and recounted by hand in REPUBLICAN controlled states and not only is that not enough the people counting them get their fucking lives threatened. Yeah, we need more fucking scurtiny, and apparently you get that by shortening the hours to vote and change polling locations to places that don't have parking available anywhere near. Fucking Rep's take your party back, that assholes 15 minutes are up.
This is fucking deja vu with Trump. In 2017 he had a commission formed to find the 3 to 5 million votes that were illegally cast in the 2016 election. Just a coincidence that he lost the general election by over 3 million votes. In 2018, the Democrats had to sue the Rep's to release the results that showed nothing was found even in the ten's or hundreds. In 2020 Trump forms a commission to ensure the integrity of the election and his own, hand picked head of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security, Christopher Krebs, is subsequently fired after he confirms the election was the most secure ever. Then the biggest fucking weasel under his thumb, Barr, resigns rather than claim that the election was corrupt. Just what in the actual fuck does it take to prove to the fucking Trump sheep that there was no fraud? I loved it when the Texas assistant attorney general offered a reward of a half million to get evidence of fraud and the Pennsylvania people got back to him about the guy they arrested for killing his wife so he could use her ballot to vote for Trump. Ballots have been counted and recounted by hand in REPUBLICAN controlled states and not only is that not enough the people counting them get their fucking lives threatened. Yeah, we need more fucking scurtiny, and apparently you get that by shortening the hours to vote and change polling locations to places that don't have parking available anywhere near. Fucking Rep's take your party back, that assholes 15 minutes are up.
Trump had to dissolve those commissions because the Dem states told him to fuck off and would not give him the info needed. Also Trump had no authority to ask for any voter info from states and that is the way it should be. So, as far as scrutiny, nope nothing has be examined closely at all, especially in Dem states.
How about get rid of the party system completely and just have people vote based on, you know, the actual issues rather than based on whatever party they think they're affiliated with even though they have no idea what their party actually stands for.
That might be the dumbest thing youve ever said.
Oops, sorry, habit.
That might be the *smartest* thing youve ever said.
Dem states and some Rep's told him to fuck off.That was 2016,(when some Rep's still had balls), since then he formed the Cybersecurity unit, are you saying that they didn't have the oversight to ensure that the last election was indeed secure? Barr said the election was not stolen. Are all these people who are at the highest positions of oversight in our country simply part of the "deep state" that enlisted the help of poll workers all over America to cheat Trump? Fucking sheep that believe the shit that falls out of that guys mouth just kill me.
Dem states and some Rep's told him to fuck off.That was 2016,(when some Rep's still had balls), since then he formed the Cybersecurity unit, are you saying that they didn't have the oversight to ensure that the last election was indeed secure? Barr said the election was not stolen. Are all these people who are at the highest positions of oversight in our country simply part of the "deep state" that enlisted the help of poll workers all over America to cheat Trump? Fucking sheep that believe the shit that falls out of that guys mouth just kill me.
Dane, it's not even worth your breath trying to debate guys like geezer and def. They complain about the left wing news sources being biased (which they are) but then to support their argument they cite and use the right wing news sources as if they're any different.
Lather, rinse, repeat (hey, this discussion is Lions related!)
Dem states and some Rep's told him to fuck off.That was 2016,(when some Rep's still had balls), since then he formed the Cybersecurity unit, are you saying that they didn't have the oversight to ensure that the last election was indeed secure? Barr said the election was not stolen. Are all these people who are at the highest positions of oversight in our country simply part of the "deep state" that enlisted the help of poll workers all over America to cheat Trump? Fucking sheep that believe the shit that falls out of that guys mouth just kill me.
Dane, it's not even worth your breath trying to debate guys like geezer and def. They complain about the left wing news sources being biased (which they are) but then to support their argument they cite and use the right wing news sources as if they're any different.
Yea, these are the same guys basically saying "I admit Trump is a giant dick, but I can't understand why people are so mean to him."
While I didn't vote for him (nor Hillary), I actually kind of felt duped by Trump. Despite his flaws I thought if nothing else maybe he would at least challenge the corruption in politics a bit (or as he liked to say, "drain the swamp") and he basically did the complete opposite. I think that's what shocks me the most about people that continue to support him. He sold them a bill of goods that he totally didn't deliver on and somehow managed to make worse what he promised his sheep he would make better.
He exposed so much of it, IMO. You can say Trump is a jerk, but they went after him like no other. Why? He isn't one of them. He isn't bought and paid for despite what your news channel tells you. I know media, work in media, 5 of the big 6 are mouthpieces for the left and Disney just bought a stake in the 6th. From day one he was attacked via the political hit job Obama DOJ spying, trying to dig dirt. What did they find? Jack shit. He killed ISIS by the way. Remember those terrorist fucks getting their heads blown off? Yeah NYT called Salamani a philosopher. GTFO. And oh by the way, nobody knows if Russia hacked the DNC. It could have been china or Seth Rich, the DNC worker who was off'd in DC after closing time. The corruption is so rampant and HAS BEEN FOR DECADES, the Bushes are wretched, the Clintons even worse and the Obama put a charming smile on that same criminal behavior. They get away with everything, from Fast and Furious to ... dare I say funding gain of function research to make a Virus that ironically enough was unleashed during an election year, just after Trump had China in a trade war headlock....so please enough with the jerky face Tweeter, big whoop, now China is embedding in our GOV and those fat cats at the top are getting fatter. Every channel, every newspaper was bashing Trump 24/7, it's called propaganda....because the establishment doesn't like Trump's policies, which were his bread and butter. Biden STOPPED the pipeline and fossil fuel fracking in our own country, when gas was under 2 bucks a gallon, now it's 3.30, GTFO! Most of you probably follow some news on the ole Spectrum or Comcast, and that's the problem, the bias is so steep in MSM media that it's truly state run media, the liberals mouthpiece. It is what it is, but the economy was booming, people were MAKING MONEY and suddenly in an election year, it was like they had no choice. They were caught spying for Obama and they had no chance to beat Trump without mail ins and this virus, which was all concocted to remove him and it worked.
Also, Check Maricopa county....they are doing audits AND Canvasing, trying to tie each ballot to a REAL PERSON and the results are ridiculous. Many voting laws were changed, especially in Georgia and I never seen counters just stop in the dead of night and scan ballots either trucked in or there at the site. I know, inherently, that when all swing states' counting stopped that the jig was up....Biden did not win. SORRY! the Supreme Court didn't even look at Sidney Powell and Rudy's G's case because they filed it wrong....watch what happens and why the media isn't covering the Maricopia recounts....get real people...those in GOV are more corrupt than the mafia.
I like what you wrote here. As far as the forensic audits. That a good thing for us to see. Let them peel back the layers of the onion and take a look at the ballots. All we do is count them over and over in an recount. That doesn't tell you if the ballots have been manipulated someway. Also the Machines and the capability of the machines. Can they be hacked if they are connected to a network. We are discussing the mail in ballots of course. The ballots are a secret ballot so there is no way to trace a ballot back to the voter after it has been separated from the mailing envelope but in todays world we should be able to see if a envelope has been scanned into an active mailed state and whether the ballot put into the envelope has also been scanned as an active ballot. the mailing address (Voter) can be put on after. Really Simple actually 3 million envelopes with a code, 3 million ballots with a code, and 3 million mailing address labels with a code. All 3 would have to pass the security scan at he time the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. That would tell you that the ballot, envelope, voter address were valid. The ballot would still be secret. That still doesn't help you determine who actually filled out the ballot. That is where the signature check comes in on the mailing envelope. And we are not close to having a reliable method as people sometimes have many variations of their signatures. So ballot harvesting is alive and well and is widely used. I don't know what the outcome will be in Maricopa County of this forensic audit. They finished examining the ballots and now want the envelopes to audit them but are meeting with stiff resistance from the Maricopa County Voter Board/Commission. I find it strange at the amount of resistance there is to these audits. AG of the United States getting involved. Strange and peculiar behavior. Let them Audit away and let the chips fall where they may
I like what you wrote here. As far as the forensic audits. That a good thing for us to see. Let them peel back the layers of the onion and take a look at the ballots. All we do is count them over and over in an recount. That doesn't tell you if the ballots have been manipulated someway. Also the Machines and the capability of the machines. Can they be hacked if they are connected to a network. We are discussing the mail in ballots of course. The ballots are a secret ballot so there is no way to trace a ballot back to the voter after it has been separated from the mailing envelope but in todays world we should be able to see if a envelope has been scanned into an active mailed state and whether the ballot put into the envelope has also been scanned as an active ballot. the mailing address (Voter) can be put on after. Really Simple actually 3 million envelopes with a code, 3 million ballots with a code, and 3 million mailing address labels with a code. All 3 would have to pass the security scan at he time the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. That would tell you that the ballot, envelope, voter address were valid. The ballot would still be secret. That still doesn't help you determine who actually filled out the ballot. That is where the signature check comes in on the mailing envelope. And we are not close to having a reliable method as people sometimes have many variations of their signatures. So ballot harvesting is alive and well and is widely used. I don't know what the outcome will be in Maricopa County of this forensic audit. They finished examining the ballots and now want the envelopes to audit them but are meeting with stiff resistance from the Maricopa County Voter Board/Commission. I find it strange at the amount of resistance there is to these audits. AG of the United States getting involved. Strange and peculiar behavior. Let them Audit away and let the chips fall where they may
I really don't think we should stop there.
What they really need to be checking for ... is if the mail-in ballots have secret microchips stashed away in them, that communicate to an alien space ship held in Area 51, where martians and my neighbor's dog are deciding the election.
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He exposed so much of it, IMO. You can say Trump is a jerk, but they went after him like no other. Why? He isn't one of them. He isn't bought and paid for despite what your news channel tells you. I know media, work in media, 5 of the big 6 are mouthpieces for the left and Disney just bought a stake in the 6th. From day one he was attacked via the political hit job Obama DOJ spying, trying to dig dirt. What did they find? Jack shit. He killed ISIS by the way. Remember those terrorist fucks getting their heads blown off? Yeah NYT called Salamani a philosopher. GTFO. And oh by the way, nobody knows if Russia hacked the DNC. It could have been china or Seth Rich, the DNC worker who was off'd in DC after closing time. The corruption is so rampant and HAS BEEN FOR DECADES, the Bushes are wretched, the Clintons even worse and the Obama put a charming smile on that same criminal behavior. They get away with everything, from Fast and Furious to ... dare I say funding gain of function research to make a Virus that ironically enough was unleashed during an election year, just after Trump had China in a trade war headlock....so please enough with the jerky face Tweeter, big whoop, now China is embedding in our GOV and those fat cats at the top are getting fatter. Every channel, every newspaper was bashing Trump 24/7, it's called propaganda....because the establishment doesn't like Trump's policies, which were his bread and butter. Biden STOPPED the pipeline and fossil fuel fracking in our own country, when gas was under 2 bucks a gallon, now it's 3.30, GTFO! Most of you probably follow some news on the ole Spectrum or Comcast, and that's the problem, the bias is so steep in MSM media that it's truly state run media, the liberals mouthpiece. It is what it is, but the economy was booming, people were MAKING MONEY and suddenly in an election year, it was like they had no choice. They were caught spying for Obama and they had no chance to beat Trump without mail ins and this virus, which was all concocted to remove him and it worked.
Also, Check Maricopa county....they are doing audits AND Canvasing, trying to tie each ballot to a REAL PERSON and the results are ridiculous. Many voting laws were changed, especially in Georgia and I never seen counters just stop in the dead of night and scan ballots either trucked in or there at the site. I know, inherently, that when all swing states' counting stopped that the jig was up....Biden did not win. SORRY! the Supreme Court didn't even look at Sidney Powell and Rudy's G's case because they filed it wrong....watch what happens and why the media isn't covering the Maricopia recounts....get real people...those in GOV are more corrupt than the mafia.
I like what you wrote here. As far as the forensic audits. That a good thing for us to see. Let them peel back the layers of the onion and take a look at the ballots. All we do is count them over and over in an recount. That doesn't tell you if the ballots have been manipulated someway. Also the Machines and the capability of the machines. Can they be hacked if they are connected to a network. We are discussing the mail in ballots of course. The ballots are a secret ballot so there is no way to trace a ballot back to the voter after it has been separated from the mailing envelope but in todays world we should be able to see if a envelope has been scanned into an active mailed state and whether the ballot put into the envelope has also been scanned as an active ballot. the mailing address (Voter) can be put on after. Really Simple actually 3 million envelopes with a code, 3 million ballots with a code, and 3 million mailing address labels with a code. All 3 would have to pass the security scan at he time the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. That would tell you that the ballot, envelope, voter address were valid. The ballot would still be secret. That still doesn't help you determine who actually filled out the ballot. That is where the signature check comes in on the mailing envelope. And we are not close to having a reliable method as people sometimes have many variations of their signatures. So ballot harvesting is alive and well and is widely used. I don't know what the outcome will be in Maricopa County of this forensic audit. They finished examining the ballots and now want the envelopes to audit them but are meeting with stiff resistance from the Maricopa County Voter Board/Commission. I find it strange at the amount of resistance there is to these audits. AG of the United States getting involved. Strange and peculiar behavior. Let them Audit away and let the chips fall where they may
the problem isn't the fact that they are having an audit, the problem is the audit is being done by a known partisan company with unqualified auditors handing people's personal information over to them without any supervision
I like what you wrote here. As far as the forensic audits. That a good thing for us to see. Let them peel back the layers of the onion and take a look at the ballots. All we do is count them over and over in an recount. That doesn't tell you if the ballots have been manipulated someway. Also the Machines and the capability of the machines. Can they be hacked if they are connected to a network. We are discussing the mail in ballots of course. The ballots are a secret ballot so there is no way to trace a ballot back to the voter after it has been separated from the mailing envelope but in todays world we should be able to see if a envelope has been scanned into an active mailed state and whether the ballot put into the envelope has also been scanned as an active ballot. the mailing address (Voter) can be put on after. Really Simple actually 3 million envelopes with a code, 3 million ballots with a code, and 3 million mailing address labels with a code. All 3 would have to pass the security scan at he time the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. That would tell you that the ballot, envelope, voter address were valid. The ballot would still be secret. That still doesn't help you determine who actually filled out the ballot. That is where the signature check comes in on the mailing envelope. And we are not close to having a reliable method as people sometimes have many variations of their signatures. So ballot harvesting is alive and well and is widely used. I don't know what the outcome will be in Maricopa County of this forensic audit. They finished examining the ballots and now want the envelopes to audit them but are meeting with stiff resistance from the Maricopa County Voter Board/Commission. I find it strange at the amount of resistance there is to these audits. AG of the United States getting involved. Strange and peculiar behavior. Let them Audit away and let the chips fall where they may
the problem isn't the fact that they are having an audit, the problem is the audit is being done by a known partisan company with unqualified auditors handing people's personal information over to them without any supervision
If that is the case then that should be pretty easy to expose any bias when they are finished with the "Forensic" audit. Really this is an investigation looking for everything possible in cheating and or mishandling. The opposition isn't going to be happy with an audit like this unless their side is doing the audit. Then the results are predetermined. lol. I just find the opposition to these audits reached "skyscreaming" proportions almost immediately. That looks suspicious... but I am happy to wait for the results and see what their findings show. Somehow I don't think it's all coming up roses for the Mail in Ballot process. And that is what they are checking is the entire process. And that's a good thing. Certainly do not want a system that has the potential for a lot of shenanigans.
the problem isn't the fact that they are having an audit, the problem is the audit is being done by a known partisan company with unqualified auditors handing people's personal information over to them without any supervision
If that is the case then that should be pretty easy to expose any bias when they are finished with the "Forensic" audit. Really this is an investigation looking for everything possible in cheating and or mishandling. The opposition isn't going to be happy with an audit like this unless their side is doing the audit. Then the results are predetermined. lol. I just find the opposition to these audits reached "skyscreaming" proportions almost immediately. That looks suspicious... but I am happy to wait for the results and see what their findings show. Somehow I don't think it's all coming up roses for the Mail in Ballot process. And that is what they are checking is the entire process. And that's a good thing. Certainly do not want a system that has the potential for a lot of shenanigans.
Shenanigans? Is that seriously what we're looking for?
The inbreds hollering "shenanigans" aren't considering the kind of effort that would need to go in to coordinating such shenanigans. Swinging an election enough votes to affect an election's outcome ... would involve the coordination of hundreds of thousands if not more. The expense would be at the level of the defense budgets of many mid-sized nations. Otherwise you'd be looking at a volunteer effort that would require, again, several hundred thousand people working an entire second job at no compensation.
Making it so unlikely that it's not even worth discussion. No one cares about presidential elections enough to go through that. Seriously, after working a week on such an effort they'd wear out and say "fuck it." Executive power is far less consequential than who controls the senate, so we'd be much better served looking in to the senate elections anyway.
A much, much more likely scenario would simply be a setup. The potential penalty would likely be at the same level, it would be enormously cheaper and enormously easier to carry out. If you're a big enough scum bag to undermine the American democracy, then you're definitely a big enough scum bag to sneak a hooker in to his room, take photos and release them to the press. Doctor some photos/documents to make it look like he was taking trips on the Lolita Express with Epstein. A million cheaper/easier ways to keep a guy out of office than trying to rig voting booths. That's amateur stuff.
I remember back when I was in my 20's and MTV did this "Rock the Vote" effort that essentially won Clinton the election. It literally turned out enough votes to decide it. Think of how cheap that was in the grand scheme of things. Total bargain. Organizing a similar effort in this day and age would be so much more effective and cheap than rigging an entire voting system. Come to think of it, that's exactly what happened when the Dems went on their big "vote by mail" campaign. And Trump four years earlier with his facebook advertising. So there's that.
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If that is the case then that should be pretty easy to expose any bias when they are finished with the "Forensic" audit. Really this is an investigation looking for everything possible in cheating and or mishandling. The opposition isn't going to be happy with an audit like this unless their side is doing the audit. Then the results are predetermined. lol. I just find the opposition to these audits reached "skyscreaming" proportions almost immediately. That looks suspicious... but I am happy to wait for the results and see what their findings show. Somehow I don't think it's all coming up roses for the Mail in Ballot process. And that is what they are checking is the entire process. And that's a good thing. Certainly do not want a system that has the potential for a lot of shenanigans.
Shenanigans? Is that seriously what we're looking for?
The inbreds hollering "shenanigans" aren't considering the kind of effort that would need to go in to coordinating such shenanigans. Swinging an election enough votes to affect an election's outcome ... would involve the coordination of hundreds of thousands if not more. The expense would be at the level of the defense budgets of many mid-sized nations. Otherwise you'd be looking at a volunteer effort that would require, again, several hundred thousand people working an entire second job at no compensation.
Making it so unlikely that it's not even worth discussion. No one cares about presidential elections enough to go through that. Seriously, after working a week on such an effort they'd wear out and say "fuck it." Executive power is far less consequential than who controls the senate, so we'd be much better served looking in to the senate elections anyway.
A much, much more likely scenario would simply be a setup. The potential penalty would likely be at the same level, it would be enormously cheaper and enormously easier to carry out. If you're a big enough scum bag to undermine the American democracy, then you're definitely a big enough scum bag to sneak a hooker in to his room, take photos and release them to the press. Doctor some photos/documents to make it look like he was taking trips on the Lolita Express with Epstein. A million cheaper/easier ways to keep a guy out of office than trying to rig voting booths. That's amateur stuff.
I remember back when I was in my 20's and MTV did this "Rock the Vote" effort that essentially won Clinton the election. It literally turned out enough votes to decide it. Think of how cheap that was in the grand scheme of things. Total bargain. Organizing a similar effort in this day and age would be so much more effective and cheap than rigging an entire voting system. Come to think of it, that's exactly what happened when the Dems went on their big "vote by mail" campaign. And Trump four years earlier with his facebook advertising. So there's that.
Lol.... 77,000 votes spread over a handful of counties in 4 states change the result of the Presidential election. No real big effort at all. I'm from Ann Arbor and we could almost fit 2X that many people in Michigan Stadium an any given Saturday. So obviously the election was close, but this election wasn't the normal election. All the Covid crap and Mail in ballots in huge numbers raised questions in peoples minds. There could have easily been enough fraud perpetrated in those 4 states alone. 20,000 votes average in Wayne County, Milwaukee County, Fulton County, Clark County. So to pooh, pooh the idea that it is possible or not....A forensic ballot investigation in less than 10 counties Country wide would show "If" Shenanigans occurred. We have wasted more money in the past 6 months bussing covid infected illegal aliens to every corner of our nation.
Lol.... 77,000 votes spread over a handful of counties in 4 states change the result of the Presidential election. No real big effort at all.
Pffffttt!!!!!!!
ONLY four fucking states? Out of just a "handful of counties" in four freaking states ... they're going to be so tight lipped that not a single person comes forth on Tucker Carlson to say "I was recruited to help throw the election?" You gotta' be out of your mind.
Who on earth, in their right mind, would go through that effort when they could just hire a single pretty intern to grab his balls and save their text conversations?
You're not thinking.
What you're suggesting is tantamount to hiring a swat team to steal a stick of chewing gum from a drug store, crawling in through the vents. Just walk in the front door and take it asshole.
People are such morons.
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Maricopa County has already found large discrepancies with mail-in ballots. There were 75,000 more mail-in ballots received than sent out. Also, numerous mail-in ballots, numbered as originals, were printed on non-ballot paper. The reason they could tell it is non-ballot paper is because, normal-ballot paper is designed to not allow ink to bleed through the page. IOW the non-ballot paper ballots have been created illegally. Many of these ballots voted for Biden.
P.S. I don't understand why more of you guys aren't more concerned about this shit. Voting has to be free and fair. I don't mind losing an election when it is free and fair, but when cheating is involved my voice no longer counts and that FUCKING PISSES ME OFF!!!!
Maricopa County has already found large discrepancies with mail-in ballots. There were 75,000 more mail-in ballots received than sent out. Also, numerous mail-in ballots, numbered as originals, were printed on non-ballot paper. The reason they could tell it is non-ballot paper is because, normal-ballot paper is designed to not allow ink to bleed through the page. IOW the non-ballot paper ballots have been created illegally. Many of these ballots voted for Biden.
P.S. I don't understand why more of you guys aren't more concerned about this shit. Voting has to be free and fair. I don't mind losing an election when it is free and fair, but when cheating is involved my voice no longer counts and that FUCKING PISSES ME OFF!!!!
People would be more concerned about it if any of it was based on actual facts. That Maricopa investigation was a complete shit show. As Dane pointed out, when the GOP was challenged, their defense was that no one would believe it anyway. Stop believing everything you hear from Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, just like liberals should stop believing everything they hear from Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper. Geezer, the best advice I can give you is to use this reference as your news source from now on. You can thank me later. www.allsides.com
the problem isn't the fact that they are having an audit, the problem is the audit is being done by a known partisan company with unqualified auditors handing people's personal information over to them without any supervision
If that is the case then that should be pretty easy to expose any bias when they are finished with the "Forensic" audit. Really this is an investigation looking for everything possible in cheating and or mishandling. The opposition isn't going to be happy with an audit like this unless their side is doing the audit. Then the results are predetermined. lol. I just find the opposition to these audits reached "skyscreaming" proportions almost immediately. That looks suspicious... but I am happy to wait for the results and see what their findings show. Somehow I don't think it's all coming up roses for the Mail in Ballot process. And that is what they are checking is the entire process. And that's a good thing. Certainly do not want a system that has the potential for a lot of shenanigans.
shenanigans like having a limited number of polling stations in areas where you have a large number of minorities so they have to wait in line 6 hours or more
P.S. I don't understand why more of you guys aren't more concerned about this shit. Voting has to be free and fair. I don't mind losing an election when it is free and fair, but when cheating is involved my voice no longer counts and that FUCKING PISSES ME OFF!!!!
Hey, at least you HAVE a voice. Try living in a non-swing state, where it's already decided before you even make it to the polling station.
Yay! I'm in a blue state! I wonder what the results are going to be?? I'm sure my vote will make a HUGE difference!!
While you're busy concerning yourself with foreign concepts like "free" and "fair," I can't even remember the last time I've cast a vote that actually mattered, instead of spending that time at a strip bar because I might as well do something productive (Please, don't tell the lady. She thinks I'm voting).
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