I agree, but same argument could be made for a DE here. All depends who the BPA is when we pick. Holmes is going to stick to his board which I'm good with.
You said it would be hard to swallow, so I was confused.
Speaking mostly with the fans
I certainly do not want another WR taken that high with the way the defense played at times last season. OL I would be happy with.
You said it would be hard to swallow, so I was confused.
Speaking mostly with the fans
I certainly do not want another WR taken that high with the way the defense played at times last season. OL I would be happy with.
I don’t want to take a defensive player or OL just because it’s a bigger need. I also don’t think Holmes will do that, he’s pretty clear that he goes to draft looking for talent.
CB is thin and WR may be more top heavy, but they don’t have much after St. Brown and Jamo. One injury and Kalif or Peoples Jones are playing major roles.
With the depth at CB in this draft, I don't think there is value in trading up for one. Even Arnold and Mitchell are not slam dunks.
I have to disagree BB. Mitchell is faster and stronger than Sauce Gardner with great coverage and tackling. In any other draft, he would be a top 5 pick. Due to 4 Excellent QBs prospects, 3 Outstanding WRs, 2 OTs and a TE, he will fall out of not only the top 5, but the top 10. At draft picks 12-14, he is worth 1 pick this draft at 29, plus a low 30s pick next year (IOW, a draft chart value of approximately 1200 draft points, equivalent to pick 12). Mitchell is going to be a top 5 #1 CB. With Davis as a #2 CB most likely a top 5. Lions will have a good to very good secondary and we will need it. The Packers, Bears, and Vikings will be loading up in this outstanding offensive draft.
i still think Bowers would be a great pick. both him and laPorta are fast enough to outrun most LBs, and we have Williams and Raymond as speed threats at WR. Bowers adds another big red zone target and adds great blocking to the mix. dont be surprised if. thats our pick in the first round via trade up. exactly the kind of thing i can see happening.
My favorite is Quinyon Mitchell CB. He is a true generational talent, as good as Sauce Gardner of the jets. The Lions need to trade up to get this kid between picks 12 to 14. They will not regret it. Pro Bowler this year.
I have to disagree BB. Mitchell is faster and stronger than Sauce Gardner with great coverage and tackling. In any other draft, he would be a top 5 pick. Due to 4 Excellent QBs prospects, 3 Outstanding WRs, 2 OTs and a TE, he will fall out of not only the top 5, but the top 10. At draft picks 12-14, he is worth 1 pick this draft at 29, plus a low 30s pick next year (IOW, a draft chart value of approximately 1200 draft points, equivalent to pick 12). Mitchell is going to be a top 5 #1 CB. With Davis as a #2 CB most likely a top 5. Lions will have a good to very good secondary and we will need it. The Packers, Bears, and Vikings will be loading up in this outstanding offensive draft.
You could be right, I would just much rather roll with a Lassiter, DeJean, Kool-Aid, Wiggins, Rakestraw and not have to give up a 2nd round pick to move up for a slightly better chance at getting a better player.
I have to disagree BB. Mitchell is faster and stronger than Sauce Gardner with great coverage and tackling. In any other draft, he would be a top 5 pick. Due to 4 Excellent QBs prospects, 3 Outstanding WRs, 2 OTs and a TE, he will fall out of not only the top 5, but the top 10. At draft picks 12-14, he is worth 1 pick this draft at 29, plus a low 30s pick next year (IOW, a draft chart value of approximately 1200 draft points, equivalent to pick 12). Mitchell is going to be a top 5 #1 CB. With Davis as a #2 CB most likely a top 5. Lions will have a good to very good secondary and we will need it. The Packers, Bears, and Vikings will be loading up in this outstanding offensive draft.
You could be right, I would just much rather roll with a Lassiter, DeJean, Kool-Aid, Wiggins, Rakestraw and not have to give up a 2nd round pick to move up for a slightly better chance at getting a better player.
It is very rare that you see a guy like Mitchell with outstanding top end speed (4.33 forty), acceleration (1.51 10-yard), explosion (38-inch vertical), and incredible strength (20 bench press) for his size, all packaged into one person. Then you couple the fact he has natural ball skills that is equivalent or exceeds the most gifted CBs in the NFL. This guy has the potential to be the best at his position. There is not a WR in the NFL who can match his total athleticism. He will have physical advantage against everybody.
I absolutely luv Dejean, but he will definitely be better at safety (he will be gone at 15 thru 20).
You are missing Terrion Arnold. I would rate him an average #1 CB and a top end #2 CB. He will be gone before pick 29
Kool Aid is very good (about equal to Arnold) and has the potential to be a top #2 CB (his Jones fracture scares me though. I would pass at pick 29).
Wiggins will be great in coverage but is very light in the ass. He will have trouble tackling NFL RBs and the large WRs so abundant in the NFL, so he is not an Aaron Glenn kind of CB.
Lassiter and Rakestraw are at best #3 or 4 CBs, or special teams, who could develop to an average #2 CB. 3rd or 4th round is about right for these guys. BTW, another CB you did not mention is Nehemiah Pritchett, he is slightly above their category in my opinion.
29: Graham Barton OC Duke 61: Marshawn Kneeland EDGE Western Michigan 73: Mike Sainristil CB Michigan 120: Mason McCormick OG South Dakota State 151: Luke McCaffrey WR Rice 201: Edefuan Ulofoshio LB Washington 205: Myles Cole EDGE Texas Tech 210: Dominique Hampton S Washington 249: Frank Crum OT Wyoming
You could be right, I would just much rather roll with a Lassiter, DeJean, Kool-Aid, Wiggins, Rakestraw and not have to give up a 2nd round pick to move up for a slightly better chance at getting a better player.
It is very rare that you see a guy like Mitchell with outstanding top end speed (4.33 forty), acceleration (1.51 10-yard), explosion (38-inch vertical), and incredible strength (20 bench press) for his size, all packaged into one person. Then you couple the fact he has natural ball skills that is equivalent or exceeds the most gifted CBs in the NFL. This guy has the potential to be the best at his position. There is not a WR in the NFL who can match his total athleticism. He will have physical advantage against everybody.
I absolutely luv Dejean, but he will definitely be better at safety (he will be gone at 15 thru 20).
You are missing Terrion Arnold. I would rate him an average #1 CB and a top end #2 CB. He will be gone before pick 29
Kool Aid is very good (about equal to Arnold) and has the potential to be a top #2 CB (his Jones fracture scares me though. I would pass at pick 29).
Wiggins will be great in coverage but is very light in the ass. He will have trouble tackling NFL RBs and the large WRs so abundant in the NFL, so he is not an Aaron Glenn kind of CB.
Lassiter and Rakestraw are at best #3 or 4 CBs, or special teams, who could develop to an average #2 CB. 3rd or 4th round is about right for these guys. BTW, another CB you did not mention is Nehemiah Pritchett, he is slightly above their category in my opinion.
I’m not as high on moving up for them as you are, if the price is right, I’d be fine with it. But I’m with you on most of these evals. I’d be fine with Kool-Aid at 29. Lassiter’s speed scares me. I love Rakestraw’s make up, but I think he’ll have some struggles and might be better in a scheme that plays more off coverage.
I actually like guys like Renardo Green, DJ James, Max Melton more than guys like Lassiter, Rakestraw, and TJ Tampa.
And I know he’s probably a slot and Branch is on the roster(though sounds like he’ll play more safety), but I’d take Mike Sainristill on my team any day.
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holmes has shown when he wants a player he will usually get him. so trade up is IMO a very likely scenerio for detroit. which player he covets will be the big question. gonna find out in a couple weeks.
holmes has shown when he wants a player he will usually get him. so trade up is IMO a very likely scenerio for detroit. which player he covets will be the big question. gonna find out in a couple weeks.
he has also shown if the person he wants isn't there that he will trade back too...
he has also shown if the person he wants isn't there that he will trade back too...
Yeah if they stay at 29 and there isn't a guy with a first round grade still available he will be picking up the phone...
I fully expect if we still have pick 29 when it comes around, there will be an opportunity to trade down with a QB needy team wanting that 5th year option
It is very rare that you see a guy like Mitchell with outstanding top end speed (4.33 forty), acceleration (1.51 10-yard), explosion (38-inch vertical), and incredible strength (20 bench press) for his size, all packaged into one person. Then you couple the fact he has natural ball skills that is equivalent or exceeds the most gifted CBs in the NFL. This guy has the potential to be the best at his position. There is not a WR in the NFL who can match his total athleticism. He will have physical advantage against everybody.
I absolutely luv Dejean, but he will definitely be better at safety (he will be gone at 15 thru 20).
You are missing Terrion Arnold. I would rate him an average #1 CB and a top end #2 CB. He will be gone before pick 29
Kool Aid is very good (about equal to Arnold) and has the potential to be a top #2 CB (his Jones fracture scares me though. I would pass at pick 29).
Wiggins will be great in coverage but is very light in the ass. He will have trouble tackling NFL RBs and the large WRs so abundant in the NFL, so he is not an Aaron Glenn kind of CB.
Lassiter and Rakestraw are at best #3 or 4 CBs, or special teams, who could develop to an average #2 CB. 3rd or 4th round is about right for these guys. BTW, another CB you did not mention is Nehemiah Pritchett, he is slightly above their category in my opinion.
I’m not as high on moving up for them as you are, if the price is right, I’d be fine with it. But I’m with you on most of these evals. I’d be fine with Kool-Aid at 29. Lassiter’s speed scares me. I love Rakestraw’s make up, but I think he’ll have some struggles and might be better in a scheme that plays more off coverage.
I actually like guys like Renardo Green, DJ James, Max Melton more than guys like Lassiter, Rakestraw, and TJ Tampa.
And I know he’s probably a slot and Branch is on the roster(though sounds like he’ll play more safety), but I’d take Mike Sainristill on my team any day.
James is a slightly slower clone of Wiggins, light at 175 lbs, he will have trouble tackling.
Next Gen Stats on Greene rates him average. IOW just another guy
Sainristill is gutsy, but size matters, football is a game of inches.
Tampa (#6 CB in this draft) is not bad and Max Melton (#7 CB in this draft) has capability to develop. I believe both will become good NFL CBs.
To attain a Superbowl Roster, you need an elite cover corner to shut down his half of the field. Mitchell has that capability and I believe he will fall to picks 12 thru 14 (Atlanta at pick 8 may take him, I hope not, depends on if they rate Turner higher).
To get him we have to move up by using Pick 29 this year and pick 31 (We lost the SB) or 32 (We won the SB) next year. If we can move up this year and draft one last elite player to complete our defensive roster. Then over the next 3 years is our window to compete for the SB Championship, and will continue to pick at 30, 31, or 32.
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I’m not as high on moving up for them as you are, if the price is right, I’d be fine with it. But I’m with you on most of these evals. I’d be fine with Kool-Aid at 29. Lassiter’s speed scares me. I love Rakestraw’s make up, but I think he’ll have some struggles and might be better in a scheme that plays more off coverage.
I actually like guys like Renardo Green, DJ James, Max Melton more than guys like Lassiter, Rakestraw, and TJ Tampa.
And I know he’s probably a slot and Branch is on the roster(though sounds like he’ll play more safety), but I’d take Mike Sainristill on my team any day.
James is a slightly slower clone of Wiggins, light at 175 lbs, he will have trouble tackling.
Next Gen Stats on Greene rates him average. IOW just another guy
Sainristill is gutsy, but size matters, football is a game of inches.
Tampa (#6 CB in this draft) is not bad and Max Melton (#7 CB in this draft) has capability to develop. I believe both will become good NFL CBs.
To attain a Superbowl Roster, you need an elite cover corner to shut down his half of the field. Mitchell has that capability and I believe he will fall to picks 12 thru 14 (Atlanta at pick 8 may take him, I hope not, depends on if they rate Turner higher).
To get him we have to move up by using Pick 29 this year and pick 31 (We lost the SB) or 32 (We won the SB) next year. If we can move up this year and draft one last elite player to complete our defensive roster. Then over the next 3 years is our window to compete for the SB Championship, and will continue to pick at 30, 31, or 32.
Green plays perfectly to the press man heavy scheme that Glenn wants to play. He gave Nabers and Thomas a lot of trouble against LSU.
Like I said, I’m not opposed to moving up if the price is right, but not as pressed to do it as you seem to be. I don’t really agree you need an elite CB. Teams don’t care if you “shut down half the field” anymore. Good OC’s will find the weakness and exploit it and the rules favor the offenses too much to really have a consistent elite CB. To me you need a scheme that can get you into favorable down and distance situations and create pressure with a strong front while having a capable secondary across the back end.
James is a slightly slower clone of Wiggins, light at 175 lbs, he will have trouble tackling.
Next Gen Stats on Greene rates him average. IOW just another guy
Sainristill is gutsy, but size matters, football is a game of inches.
Tampa (#6 CB in this draft) is not bad and Max Melton (#7 CB in this draft) has capability to develop. I believe both will become good NFL CBs.
To attain a Superbowl Roster, you need an elite cover corner to shut down his half of the field. Mitchell has that capability and I believe he will fall to picks 12 thru 14 (Atlanta at pick 8 may take him, I hope not, depends on if they rate Turner higher).
To get him we have to move up by using Pick 29 this year and pick 31 (We lost the SB) or 32 (We won the SB) next year. If we can move up this year and draft one last elite player to complete our defensive roster. Then over the next 3 years is our window to compete for the SB Championship, and will continue to pick at 30, 31, or 32.
Green plays perfectly to the press man heavy scheme that Glenn wants to play. He gave Nabers and Thomas a lot of trouble against LSU.
Like I said, I’m not opposed to moving up if the price is right, but not as pressed to do it as you seem to be. I don’t really agree you need an elite CB. Teams don’t care if you “shut down half the field” anymore. Good OC’s will find the weakness and exploit it and the rules favor the offenses too much to really have a consistent elite CB. To me you need a scheme that can get you into favorable down and distance situations and create pressure with a strong front while having a capable secondary across the back end.
You have heard the old adage "each dog has its' day". Green had a good day against LSU, but is still average according to Next Gen, that says something. Mitchell is a dog that has his day almost every day. Of course, I luv the guy and just being overly zealous. The physical tools Mithcell possesses would give Glenn a lot of leeway for creativity.
Green plays perfectly to the press man heavy scheme that Glenn wants to play. He gave Nabers and Thomas a lot of trouble against LSU.
Like I said, I’m not opposed to moving up if the price is right, but not as pressed to do it as you seem to be. I don’t really agree you need an elite CB. Teams don’t care if you “shut down half the field” anymore. Good OC’s will find the weakness and exploit it and the rules favor the offenses too much to really have a consistent elite CB. To me you need a scheme that can get you into favorable down and distance situations and create pressure with a strong front while having a capable secondary across the back end.
You have heard the old adage "each dog has its' day". Green had a good day against LSU, but is still average according to Next Gen, that says something. Mitchell is a dog that has his day almost every day. Of course, I luv the guy and just being overly zealous. The physical tools Mithcell possesses would give Glenn a lot of leeway for creativity.
It should be noted that Mitchell was facing off against MAC skill level WR's every week, so he was a big fish in a small pond. It is very difficult to gauge how he would fare against SEC level talent week in and week out. He certainly has the measurables, but to what extent has his talent really been tested?
I trust Holmes and company to do their homework, and make good (to great) decisions in the draft. That is something I haven't said about a Lions regime in my lifetime.
You have heard the old adage "each dog has its' day". Green had a good day against LSU, but is still average according to Next Gen, that says something. Mitchell is a dog that has his day almost every day. Of course, I luv the guy and just being overly zealous. The physical tools Mithcell possesses would give Glenn a lot of leeway for creativity.
It should be noted that Mitchell was facing off against MAC skill level WR's every week, so he was a big fish in a small pond. It is very difficult to gauge how he would fare against SEC level talent week in and week out. He certainly has the measurables, but to what extent has his talent really been tested?
I trust Holmes and company to do their homework, and make good (to great) decisions in the draft. That is something I haven't said about a Lions regime in my lifetime.
Pundits said the same thing about Sauce Gardner. But, he did okay.
Nah not me man. Badnews and Dane are the college guys. I only know the big name guys and everything else is what I hear from other people that supposedly know what they're talking about.
My bad. I know bad. Dane. Maybe Trump. It's amazing how little I've thought about the draft but there are some college gurus on this site.
It should be noted that Mitchell was facing off against MAC skill level WR's every week, so he was a big fish in a small pond. It is very difficult to gauge how he would fare against SEC level talent week in and week out. He certainly has the measurables, but to what extent has his talent really been tested?
I trust Holmes and company to do their homework, and make good (to great) decisions in the draft. That is something I haven't said about a Lions regime in my lifetime.
Pundits said the same thing about Sauce Gardner. But, he did okay.
Sauce did go up against Notre Dame, Alabama, and Tank Dell’s Houston team his last year. He got tested more.
Still I’m fine with Mitchell, skills are there and he more than held his own at the Senior Bowl.