Post by badnews3123 on Jul 31, 2023 16:15:35 GMT -6
Tweet or whatever they are now, shows for me.
Drops have been an issue for him early. Definitely something he needs to side up. Reps will help that, so hopefully he can stay healthy through camp and preseason.
That said, I saw another tweet that talked about the drops but also said he had a great block that freed up Gibbs for a big run and beat CJGJ twice once for a TD. I like Meinke, he’s not a shit stirrer, but he doesn’t know how to “create engagement” with some of his stuff.
Getting into it with Thomas…don’t really care. That stuff happens, as long as it doesn’t get out of hand, it’s nothing.
“He’s one of the best receivers in the game right now,” Gardner-Johnson said, via a video shared on Twitter by The Athletic’s Colton Pouncy. “Working out with him every day, Jamo’s ready. Don’t worry about him. He ready.”
I've been on the side of the fence that goes: "Don't jump the gun. Let's just see where this thing develops."
But all the signs are there. We've seen how this plays out. Let's just skip ahead the closing credits.
Whether or not he's a bust remains to be seen, but I don't think his future is in Detroit. Best thing for everyone would be to cut the losses and take the hit early. Let him get a fresh start in a situation where there are no expectations, no media microscope. Give him a do-over. I just can't stand watching this happen again to another young Detroit receiver. I'm scarred.
Last Edit: Jul 31, 2023 19:39:02 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
He's a young guy making bad decisions, but heck how many of us did at 21,23,23 years old? How many of us could handle being disected daily in the media at that age?
Im just saying I'm not feeding into it and rooting for the kid to be a contributor and pulls through all of this.
He's a young guy making bad decisions, but heck how many of us did at 21,23,23 years old? How many of us could handle being disected daily in the media at that age?
Im just saying I'm not feeding into it and rooting for the kid to be a contributor and pulls through all of this.
so funny...is this the same vic of old? I remember you calling players busts the second they were drafted before ever seeing them practice. I remember you calling people like me Homer's if we simply said let's see them play before calling someone a bust. Lol. Well, I'm glad you finally get it now...
Now...where's sanders to tell us he's re-evaluated primadona vs mental illness...
He's a young guy making bad decisions, but heck how many of us did at 21,23,23 years old? How many of us could handle being disected daily in the media at that age?
Im just saying I'm not feeding into it and rooting for the kid to be a contributor and pulls through all of this.
so funny...is this the same vic of old? I remember you calling players busts the second they were drafted before ever seeing them practice. I remember you calling people like me Homer's if we simply said let's see them play before calling someone a bust. Lol. Well, I'm glad you finally get it now...
Now...where's sanders to tell us he's re-evaluated primadona vs mental illness...
Who was I wrong about back then?
You still salty about Raiola sucking ass and being a terrible center?
“He’s one of the best receivers in the game right now,” Gardner-Johnson said, via a video shared on Twitter by The Athletic’s Colton Pouncy. “Working out with him every day, Jamo’s ready. Don’t worry about him. He ready.”
I trust the guys playing against him over reporters and fans.
Post by Blaming Brad on Aug 1, 2023 7:35:06 GMT -6
While most stuff like this gets blown way out of proportion by the media/fans, I think there have been enough poor decisions and mental lapses where there is at least some cause for concern. I know I'm very worried about how he will spend his time for the first 6 weeks of the season when he's not allowed at team facilities. I guess at least that means he can gamble all he wants.
its quite possible a reason for the drop issues he is going through is he let he money go to his head and is possibly high often. team mandated 'random" drug tests will find out pretty quick. he has all the talent to be awesome. he has all the attitude to fuck his career up big time.
its quite possible a reason for the drop issues he is going through is he let he money go to his head and is possibly high often. team mandated 'random" drug tests will find out pretty quick. he has all the talent to be awesome. he has all the attitude to fuck his career up big time.
As bigoted as that comes across, with the last CBA, weed is tested for once per year at the beginning of the year and is only punishable by a fine. No suspensions anymore.
Post by goldenlions on Aug 2, 2023 22:58:35 GMT -6
Detroit Lions receiver Jameson Williams signs autographs after an NFL football practice, Wednesday, Aug. 2, 2023, in Allen Park, Mich. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)
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ALLEN PARK, Mich. — The Jameson Williams Experience is fascinating to watch these days, for a multitude of reasons.
His pedigree as the 12th pick in last year’s draft, using capital acquired from trading Matthew Stafford to move up and select him, means he’ll always be in the spotlight while playing for the Detroit Lions. However, Williams’ presence is magnified when you consider this is his first real NFL offseason, first real training camp and first real preseason, thanks to a torn ACL that kept him out of these all-important practices a year ago. Williams’ six-game suspension for violating the NFL’s gambling policy hasn’t done much to take attention off him, either. It has made Williams one of the most polarizing players for Lions fans, with staunch defenders and harsh critics alike.
To cut through the noise a bit, The Athletic spent Wednesday’s practice monitoring Williams’ every move. Every drill, every rep, every interaction — it’s all documented. The goal was to provide a full picture of Williams as he navigates his first NFL training camp. Here’s what we gathered.
8:30: The official start of practice, one that wasn’t in full pads. The Lions typically begin practice with organized walk-throughs, with the starters and key reserves on one side and depth pieces on the other. Williams, naturally, spent his time with the starters and key reserves.
8:35-8:45: During walk-throughs, the starting offense features wide receivers Amon-Ra St. Brown, Josh Reynolds and Kalif Raymond. Given Williams’ looming suspension, this setup could simply be an effort to build chemistry among the group of wide receivers who will be available to start the season. Williams eventually gets a taste of the action, hauling in a short pass over the middle from Jared Goff.
8:52: After stretching is over, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson puts his arm around Williams and the two share a laugh before the WRs break out into individual drills, led by Antwaan Randle El.
8:54: Randle El has the WRs pair up and throw to one another for a light warmup. Williams is paired with Raymond, one of the most respected veterans in the locker room.
8:56: Randle El instructs the first WR drill of the morning. He sets up a tackling dummy near the line of scrimmage, acting as a defensive back in press coverage. The receives are working on their releases, planting their inside foot before working outside the dummy and sprinting up the sideline. After about 2 to 3 yards, Randle El, with a pad on his left arm, gives each WR some contact they must shed as they run up the sideline. Williams completes the drill smoothly.
8:58: Another WR drill that features more of the same. This time, the receivers are asked to run a hitch route with a cone set 5 yards away, to show when to break. Another tackling dummy is set up at the line of scrimmage to simulate a DB. After 5 yards, Randle El is waiting at the cone with a pad in hand to take a swipe at the WRs and simulate contact before the end of the route. Passing game coordinator Tanner Engstrand is firing bullets as QB. Williams catches both his reps — the first with his hands, the second with his body — and turns upfield.
9:00: This drill asks WRs to plant their outside foot on their first move, then work inside and run a hitch route. Another dummy is there at the line of scrimmage, and another cone is set up 5 yards off the line of scrimmage. Once the receiver catches it, an assistant with a pad is waiting to smack him to create contact (think pillow fight). On Williams’ first rep, he drops the ball upon contact. On his second rep, he drops the ball before contact. After both drops, he hops back in line to redo the drill.
Williams’ hands have been a popular topic at training camp. Observations show he’s prone to making some routine drops during individual periods. The Lions want to give him plenty of reps after practice and in the preseason to iron things out. More on that later.
9:05: QBs, WRs and tight ends break out for a throwing session. Williams and Goff are paired. Williams runs a curl route, then turns and jogs upfield. A few minutes later, Williams runs a post route and catches a ball from Nate Sudfeld. He follows that up with a 15-yard comeback route. No drops so far, for those concerned.
9:11: Time for go routes. Goff is in at QB with Williams to his left on the outside. Goff launches a deep ball to Williams, who gets downfield in a hurry. The crowd in the bleachers watches with anticipation, but then, well, a thud. The ball is just overthrown and slips through Williams’ fingertips. Silver lining: You’d rather see an overthrow than an underthrow, given Williams’ speed. This is why you practice.
9:12-9:16: The starting offense gets together versus the reserve offense acting as defenders in an 11-on-11 setting. Williams does not participate during this period, but does pick Randle El’s brain as it unfolds.
9:18: Offense and defense get together for their first 11-on-11 live session of the day. Williams doesn’t rep with the first-team offense, but is out there with the twos.
• On his first play, Williams takes on DE Josh Paschal as a blocker and holds his own.
• Williams lines up outside left versus UDFA Starling Thomas V before motioning inside to work against second-round pick Brian Branch. Williams runs a crosser out of the motion and instantly creates 2 to 3 yards of separation against Branch. Sudfeld hits Williams over the middle, who turns upfield for a gain of about 20 as Branch trails. Get Williams moving pre-snap to create chaos for the defense and let him cook. Good stuff.
• On the very next play, Williams lines up on the outside against Thomas and catches a hitch route for a short gain.
• Williams lines up to block on a run play. Williams said Johnson told him the other day, “No block, no rock.” He seems to be taking that to heart.
• Williams lines up in the slot and runs a dig route. Looked open but the ball went elsewhere. That was the end of Williams’ reps during the first team period.
9:27: Lions special teams coordinator Dave Fipp orchestrates what appears to be a short-area return drill. Williams takes a rep as a returner, with blockers and tacklers going at it in front of him. Believe that was his only rep of that period.
9:34: Another team period, this one brief. Williams, working with the second-team offense, runs a post route for a gain of about 20 yards from Sudfeld.
9:41: Sudfeld approaches Williams to talk shop. It looks like a conversation about ball placement. Williams puts two hands in front of his face mask as Sudfeld nods. You can tell Sudfeld loves working with Williams. He’s the featured WR when with the twos, which is good to see.
9:42: During a field-goal portion of practice, Williams receives some hands-on tips from Randle El. One thing about Williams: He’s always having side chats with those around him, and more often than not, they look like productive conversations about technique or strategy. After he finishes talking to Randle El, he spends a few minutes talking to Goff.
9:44-9:50: The Lions break out for the seven-on-seven portion of practice. Williams lines up with St. Brown, Sam LaPorta and members of the first-team offense, with Goff at QB.
Working from about midfield, Williams is matched up against starting cornerback Cam Sutton — Detroit’s CB1 at the moment. Big test, one that Williams passes with flying colors. He immediately wins with his release at the line of scrimmage, creating about 4 to 5 yards of separation from Sutton in short order. Goff looks his way and lofts a ball down the right sideline to Williams, streaking downfield with Sutton trailing by a good margin. Williams hauls it in for about a 50-yard gain, jumps to his feet and throws the ball high in the air in celebration. Easily his best rep of the day, and a reminder of what he’s capable of if he can put it all together. That made four consecutive completions on targets that went Williams’ way.
9:53: Williams and veteran wide receiver Marvin Jones Jr. strike up a conversation. It looked like Williams approached Jones with a question about technique. Jones took some time for Williams, pulling him aside to demonstrate something. Williams was all ears as Jones talked.
10:00: Time for another team period. Williams, again, reps with the second-team offense.
• The first play featuring Williams is a quick pass to Denzel Mims for a short gain.
• The second play features Williams in the slot to Sudfeld’s left, with Jahmyr Gibbs as the outside receiver. Fascinating look to have two of the fastest players on the team on the same side of the field. From the slot, Williams runs a curl route and sits on it. Sudfeld sees him but releases a high throw. Williams goes up for it but can’t reel it in.
• On the third play of the series, Williams is in motion prior to the snap toward the sideline. Again, love the play design to get him moving before the snap. Williams immediately bursts upfield and is asked to run a comeback route on the play. Sudfeld attempts to look his way but the ball falls out of his hands as he looks to throw.
• The fourth play is a screen to Gibbs for a solid gain.
10:09: Williams takes a knee next to St. Brown. Another side chat about ball. Then, he’s back in the mix.
• Williams lines up to the left and cooks Harris at the line of scrimmage, to a point where Harris is grabbing onto Williams’ jersey for dear life. Sudfeld doesn’t look Williams’ way, but he was open.
• Williams lines up right and runs an out route for a first down and a gain of maybe 12 to 15 yards. Thomas in coverage.
• Lions go trips right. Williams runs a slant and hauls it in for a short gain.
• Williams runs a go route and has a step on his man, but Sudfeld is sacked by just about the entire defense. As he walks back to the sideline, C.J. Gardner-Johnson makes sure to dap up Williams. Williams then approaches Randle El for a talk.
10:23: A situational period toward the end of practice. Six seconds on the clock, ball on the 44-yard line. The offense is asked to gain yards to create a more favorable field-goal attempt in a late-game situation. The first-team offense is successful, with Goff hitting St. Brown over the middle on a nice gain to set up a 57-yarder from Riley Patterson, who nails the kick. When the second-team takes the field, Sudfeld looks for Williams in heavy traffic over the middle but the play is broken up by Saivion Smith.
10:27: The final horn sounds, signaling the end of practice.
10:32: Williams and Randle El spend time after practice getting extra work in. Randle El, a former QB, has Williams line up across from him to catch some throws from different angles. My unofficial count had Williams hauling in 27 of 30 throws from Randle El — some of which were intentional bullets, as Randle El instructed Williams to keep his head forward until the ball arrived.
10:37: Williams is off to sign autographs and, boy, were there a lot to sign.
Williams’ career has gotten off to a slow start, one that has drawn every reaction you could possibly imagine. But he was easily one of the most requested players as fans gathered. To his credit, Williams was there for roughly 15 minutes (more than others spent signing autographs) working his way down a sea of Honolulu Blue for the fans who stayed to see him.
Days like this remind you why Williams is a player worth waiting on.
Hate to say this over and over. I have a bad feeling about this guy. I know the coaches are saying the right things. And yes, the media seems to have adopted him as their favorite punching bag. I'm sure it is mainly because of the 6 game suspension. Once the media gets on your case then it is an uphill battle to get them off your back. And that can only happen with great performances on the field. Which of course won't be until game 7 of the regular season. I hope I'm wrong about this guy. Everything else with the Lions team seems to be headed in a very positive direction. All the hype and expectations are through the roof. Season tickets sold out already. The Jamotude nitpicking is quite obvious. Williams unfortunately stepped into this himself. We will see....
Hate to say this over and over. I have a bad feeling about this guy. I know the coaches are saying the right things. And yes, the media seems to have adopted him as their favorite punching bag. I'm sure it is mainly because of the 6 game suspension. Once the media gets on your case then it is an uphill battle to get them off your back. And that can only happen with great performances on the field. Which of course won't be until game 7 of the regular season. I hope I'm wrong about this guy. Everything else with the Lions team seems to be headed in a very positive direction. All the hype and expectations are through the roof. Season tickets sold out already. The Jamotude nitpicking is quite obvious. Williams unfortunately stepped into this himself. We will see....
Yea, it will never be as fun as it was last season.
Once you start winning, media starts losing their shit (they won't stop until they destroy this kid). Fans start losing their shit.
I've wanted to see this team win for the longest time. Now I wish we could go back to being the underdog.
Last Edit: Aug 3, 2023 23:49:32 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
Now I wish we could go back to being the underdog.
Of course you do.
Fuck that shit, I want to see a playoff win. That will be fun.
And if it takes us an extra season because of injuries or just not quite being there, it's just going to be mass bitching and finger-pointing. This always happens with the good teams. Even under Caldwell when we finally strung together two winning seasons, there was so much mass butt hurt, they had to blow everything up and we were given Quintricia.
If we don't win the superbowl, I just don't want to hear all the crybabies demanding heads on platters. I'll be happy with two winning seasons in a row, but something tells me the majority will be furious with that. And I always feel bad for the scape goats, because there are always scape goats who bear the brunt of the frustration, and it's usually the Quarterback, and I'm sick of Quarterback debates.
My ideal scenario would be that we start the season losing and the fans give them a free pass and say "okay, next year." Then we go on a late-season tear in to the playoffs and a superbowl victory, shocking the football world as underdogs. I just wish there weren't so many immediate expectations of "playoffs or else." Being the underdog is way more fun.
Last Edit: Aug 4, 2023 8:27:20 GMT -6 by rustyhilger
The bullies in the media/social media having to always create drama and our fucked up society for eating that shit up.
Fuck the media and the negative reports on this kid, and the fuckwads wallow in the drama and eat it up.
I want this team to take a step this year and support Jamo for making the strides professionally and personally he needs to make to help this team get there.