Diggs traded to Seattle

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 24, 2019 17:10:39 GMT -6 Vic said:

Darius Slay is not happy about the Detroit Lions trading away team captain Quandre Diggs. In fact, the Pro Bowl Lions cornerback is not even trying to hide his anger and disgust with the business side of playing in the NFL in general and in Detroit in particular.

In a candid, expletive-laden interview with reporters on Thursday, Slay fired off shot after shot at the only NFL team he’s ever played for.


He sounded like someone who wants out of Detroit. Take this answer when asked if he might be the next to be traded,

“Anybody can get traded, but I personally wouldn’t care, my personal feeling. Like I said, it’s a business. I wouldn’t care. It is what it is, go on about the next day.”

Is he worried about the possibility of being dealt?

“(Expletive) no,” Slay responded sharply. “That’s the last thing I’m worried about. I don’t give a damn, honestly. I don’t. So like I said, I just work. Doesn’t matter where I’m at. If I’m here, if I’m somewhere else. I just go to work.”


When asked about the Lions secondary after dealing Diggs, the team’s starting safety and emotional leader of the defense, Slay once again did not hold back his contempt for the situation.

“(Expletive), I don’t know. I mean, everybody in here probably got a job to do and they got to do it. Gotta keep pushing, keep it going. Like I said, we need to win. I don’t know what else there is to it.”

Slay stayed away from the team this summer while seeking a new contract. He is in the penultimate season of a 4-year, $48 million extension he signed just before the 2016 season. The Lions refused to do anything with the contract.

It sure sounds like he isn’t all that interested in signing for a longer stint with the Lions anymore. Slay had this to say about his relationship with GM Bob Quinn and head coach Matt Patricia,

“I ain’t talking to neither one of them about that. That’s they problem. I’m working. That’s all I do. I work. It’s not no kind of relationship or nothing like that. Just I’m here. I work here. It’s my job. I got to do my job.”

Vic, when you post articles put it in a quote box or reference the source. This makes it look like you wrote it (although admittedly it's usually easy to tell quickly it's not you when it doesn't have a typo in every sentence).

[Blaming Brad]

Interesting take on the Diggs trade from Meinke:

At safety, the future is now for the Detroit Lions

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 23, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Just wonder if you have the same trust in that locker room Pats have

For a perfect example of that just look at the Pats' players reactions to the recent exile of Josh Gordon. Complete opposite of the Diggs reaction. I'm just glad they didn't trade Diggs to the Pats.

[goldenlions]

Oct 25, 2019 8:17:11 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

Oct 23, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Just wonder if you have the same trust in that locker room Pats have

For a perfect example of that just look at the Pats' players reactions to the recent exile of Josh Gordon. Complete opposite of the Diggs reaction. I'm just glad they didn't trade Diggs to the Pats.

If I guessed, I would say Josh Gordon is probably a major selfish asshole.  From all accounts from players and media, Diggs was a good guy.  Although maybe that is what you meant, I really couldn't follow this conversation.

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 25, 2019 8:24:48 GMT -6 goldenlions said:

If I guessed, I would say Josh Gordon is probably a major selfish asshole.  From all accounts from players and media, Diggs was a good guy.

That's a valid point. My point was just that the Patriots players trust the brain trust there thanks to years of success. The Lions' brain trust doesn't have that luxury.

[badnews3123]

Yeah, I’m not sure Gordon is a good comparison, though he’s been said to have been a good teammate. You can look back at the Seymour trade or the Mankins trade(this one did stir some stuff up in locker room).

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Oct 24, 2019 17:32:05 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

Oct 23, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

I don’t know if he’s happy, but Seattle is a good spot for him.

I do wonder if there was some issues with staff. Quintenn Jammer is his brother and he had an interesting tweet after the news broke and Diggs goodbye message had nothing for the coaching staff. Just Ford’s, teammates, and fans.

Like I said before, it’s a Patriots type of move, try to get out and get value before it’s too late. Just wonder if you have the same trust in that locker room Pats have and I do question if the timing was right because I’m not sure that’s max value. Could have made the move in offseason.

Agree. It’s a patriot type move and I’m fine with it. And most likely Slay is next. Which I’m fine with too. 

Actually I agree with moving Slay. This team is not going to the playoffs so trade in some of the chips while they are worth something. They need upgrades on the OL, a RB or 2, Pass Rushers and DL, and now DB's. There are some pieces here...But not enough...5-11 or 6-10...Reload next year in the draft..stockpile the picks and hope you hit the jackpot. 

[badnews3123]

Oct 25, 2019 9:45:38 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

Oct 24, 2019 17:32:05 GMT -6 TRUMP said:

Agree. It’s a patriot type move and I’m fine with it. And most likely Slay is next. Which I’m fine with too. 

Actually I agree with moving Slay. This team is not going to the playoffs so trade in some of the chips while they are worth something. They need upgrades on the OL, a RB or 2, Pass Rushers and DL, and now DB's. There are some pieces here...But not enough...5-11 or 6-10...Reload next year in the draft..stockpile the picks and hope you hit the jackpot. 

If that’s the case. Do you want Quinn as the guy doing all this? That’s a rebuild and Quinn is in year 4.

I’m 100% against trading Slay, too.

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Oct 25, 2019 9:58:58 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Oct 25, 2019 9:45:38 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

Actually I agree with moving Slay. This team is not going to the playoffs so trade in some of the chips while they are worth something. They need upgrades on the OL, a RB or 2, Pass Rushers and DL, and now DB's. There are some pieces here...But not enough...5-11 or 6-10...Reload next year in the draft..stockpile the picks and hope you hit the jackpot. 

If that’s the case. Do you want Quinn as the guy doing all this? That’s a rebuild and Quinn is in year 4.

I’m 100% against trading Slay, too.

This all could be called the "Patriot Way". Diggs was moved because of his salary and "Declining Skill set". Slay falls under the "Pro Bowl Veteran" at the top of his game on a pedestrian team. So, evaluating this team I think it highly unlikely to see a Honolulu Blue Miracle rise from the ashes to make a playoff run. No Kerryon, no Pass rush, injuries, depth,etc. So I would be open for trading Slay for more chips for the future. But serious chips. A #1 and then some. What Quinn does with these chips...remains to be seen. After Decades of watching this franchise, and seeing just about everything possible..I am open to this "Patriot Way" scenario simply because I haven't many decades left. And I am a die hard Lion fan, but reality is staring us in the face and maybe we should reshuffle the deck and make a "Patriot Way" move. We have tried just about everything else. Not a total rebuild..but a reshuffling. 

[badnews3123]

Oct 25, 2019 11:05:11 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

Oct 25, 2019 9:58:58 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

If that’s the case. Do you want Quinn as the guy doing all this? That’s a rebuild and Quinn is in year 4.

I’m 100% against trading Slay, too.

This all could be called the "Patriot Way". Diggs was moved because of his salary and "Declining Skill set". Slay falls under the "Pro Bowl Veteran" at the top of his game on a pedestrian team. So, evaluating this team I think it highly unlikely to see a Honolulu Blue Miracle rise from the ashes to make a playoff run. No Kerryon, no Pass rush, injuries, depth,etc. So I would be open for trading Slay for more chips for the future. But serious chips. A #1 and then some. What Quinn does with these chips...remains to be seen. After Decades of watching this franchise, and seeing just about everything possible..I am open to this "Patriot Way" scenario simply because I haven't many decades left. And I am a die hard Lion fan, but reality is staring us in the face and maybe we should reshuffle the deck and make a "Patriot Way" move. We have tried just about everything else. Not a total rebuild..but a reshuffling. 

How long does the “Patriot Way” take? Quinn has had 4 years and he didn’t take over a terrible roster. This roster has his fingerprints from top to bottom. So shouldn’t it already be in the “Patriot Way”?

[Blaming Brad]

I think we've all learned the "Patriot Way" only works when you have the GOAT head coach and QB.

[badnews3123]

Oct 25, 2019 12:43:23 GMT -6 Blaming Brad said:

I think we've all learned the "Patriot Way" only works when you have the GOAT head coach and QB.

Pretty much. I think there are definitely things you can take and try to do, but if you just try to replicate it somewhere else....good luck.

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 25, 2019 12:51:36 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Pretty much. I think there are definitely things you can take and try to do, but if you just try to replicate it somewhere else....good luck.

I think not overpaying for talent and letting talent go at just the right time are sound strategies. But you still have to have the talent and depth to make it work.

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Oct 25, 2019 12:25:42 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Oct 25, 2019 11:05:11 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

This all could be called the "Patriot Way". Diggs was moved because of his salary and "Declining Skill set". Slay falls under the "Pro Bowl Veteran" at the top of his game on a pedestrian team. So, evaluating this team I think it highly unlikely to see a Honolulu Blue Miracle rise from the ashes to make a playoff run. No Kerryon, no Pass rush, injuries, depth,etc. So I would be open for trading Slay for more chips for the future. But serious chips. A #1 and then some. What Quinn does with these chips...remains to be seen. After Decades of watching this franchise, and seeing just about everything possible..I am open to this "Patriot Way" scenario simply because I haven't many decades left. And I am a die hard Lion fan, but reality is staring us in the face and maybe we should reshuffle the deck and make a "Patriot Way" move. We have tried just about everything else. Not a total rebuild..but a reshuffling. 

How long does the “Patriot Way” take? Quinn has had 4 years and he didn’t take over a terrible roster. This roster has his fingerprints from top to bottom. So shouldn’t it already be in the “Patriot Way”?

I would be curious to know just how much of the roster Quinn inherited is still here. I know there is a lot of turnover every year...and that is "not" a good thing. But compare the roster turnover of the Patriots to the Lions each year. Is 5 years enough to install a "Patriot Like Roster"? I don't know the answer to that, but as I posted on another thread, at least we seem to be losing better.

[badnews3123]

The only players left from before Quinn are...

Stafford-who he gave an extension
Slay-who he gave an extension
Muhlbach
Martin
Prater

He also gave Diggs a new deal before the season last year.

This is Quinn’s roster.

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 25, 2019 13:48:04 GMT -6 lionissleeping said:

at least we seem to be losing better.

Ah, the life of a Lions fan.

[badnews3123]

Schefter tweeting that teams are calling about Slay.

Think it would be a big mistake. Especially if they conversation isn’t starting at a 1st plus another day 2 pick.

Don’t like the way some things are trending right now.

[TRUMP]

Trading slay would be exactly the type of move made in NE. it’s how they constantly get plenty of draft picks to make the moves they want for the players they want. Has nothing to do with a rebuild. We are still a couple drafts away from a team built on the patriot blueprint. We will see moves like Diggs and possibly Slay as the norm. Grtvused to it.

[thedane]

You dumb fuckers on this board using the "Patriots type move" slogan don't have clue fucking one. Getting rid of Diggs IS but signing a player like Flowers to long term big dough that is largely guaranteed is the antithesis of that and yet it still somehow IS as well? If giving Flowers that deal was a PTM the fucking Patriots would have done it fuckheads. And apparently Jesse James qualifies? LOL, how much are we paying for THAT 3rd tier TE? When have the Patriots ever taken a TE in the first round? Is it a PTM to overpay, overdraft and under coach a team? You know what a PTM would have been? To Trade a 5th for Howard. Was it a PTM to take a RB in the second with a history of injuries? LOL, you stupid fucks. This is like watching the guy who went to Vegas and made a small fortune. Problem was, he started with a large fortune. We have a team that was 9-7 that was quickly made into a 6-10 team and you dumb fucks are claiming it a success, you know, a PTM. LOL, this is fucking funny.

[badnews3123]

When have the Patriots ever taken a TE in the 1st? They did it twice, in a 2 year span.

Would the Patriots take a RB with injury history in second? No, they’d take one in the 1st.

Would they sign Jesse James? I don’t know but they traded a 4th for Dwayne Allen who had just signed a big deal and he proceeded to catch 13 passes in 2 years for them.

Patriots make a lot of questionable personnel moves. They just have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to help clean up some of those messes.

[goldenlions]

Even though "thedane" is apparently saucing...his point is not ridiculous. I do wish the fans would stop comparing the current Lions administration to the current Patriots. The Patriots have a cache about them because they win. The Lions don't, and while they may do things similar, they are not going in the exact philosophy as the current Patriots. I think stop comparing the two regimes is not unreasonable, but calling people stupid doesn't help anyone's case.

[badnews3123]

Oct 28, 2019 22:33:00 GMT -6 goldenlions said:

Even though "thedane" is apparently saucing...his point is not ridiculous. I do wish the fans would stop comparing the current Lions administration to the current Patriots. The Patriots have a cache about them because they win. The Lions don't, and while they may do things similar, they are not going in the exact philosophy as the current Patriots. I think stop comparing the two regimes is not unreasonable, but calling people stupid doesn't help anyone's case.

Also saying something is “Patriots-like” doesn’t equate to it being a good thing for Lions. Patriots make a lot of questionable and bad moves, but they’re able to mask it with Belichick and Brady.

Like I said about Diggs, kind of move Patriots would make with young depth playing well behind Diggs and a chance to get value on a player(though I don’t think good value), but big question if Lions have same locker-room faith in coaches and front-office to buy in.

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 28, 2019 16:34:25 GMT -6 thedane said:

You dumb fuckers on this board using the "Patriots type move" slogan don't have clue fucking one. Getting rid of Diggs IS but signing a player like Flowers to long term big dough that is largely guaranteed is the antithesis of that and yet it still somehow IS as well? If giving Flowers that deal was a PTM the fucking Patriots would have done it fuckheads. And apparently Jesse James qualifies? LOL, how much are we paying for THAT 3rd tier TE? When have the Patriots ever taken a TE in the first round? Is it a PTM to overpay, overdraft and under coach a team? You know what a PTM would have been? To Trade a 5th for Howard. Was it a PTM to take a RB in the second with a history of injuries? LOL, you stupid fucks. This is like watching the guy who went to Vegas and made a small fortune. Problem was, he started with a large fortune. We have a team that was 9-7 that was quickly made into a 6-10 team and you dumb fucks are claiming it a success, you know, a PTM. LOL, this is fucking funny.

Glad to see you're back on the sauce Dane. I do agree on Flowers and James. I'm wondering if the brass thought they were closer than they were. The James move has always puzzled me in every aspect. First the money they gave him for being a mediocre TE who's blocking was always inconsistent. Then drafting a TE in the first round anyway. And now his usage. Just an awful signing.

[badnews3123]

I don’t think they were banking on Hockenson being the pick at 8, even if they liked him a lot. Logan Thomas stealing some of his snaps is bad. They’re stuck with him for one more year, but to the would the Pats do something like that....they did.

Flowers hasn’t been great, but he hasn’t been as bad as people think. He’s never gonna be a sack guy. He’s one of the best run defending DE’s in the league and his versatility on the DL gives them ability to create pressures by moving him around. They lost some of the versatility with Daniels and Hand going down. You saw a little more of it last week, he was lining up in different spots more frequently.

[Blaming Brad]

Oct 28, 2019 17:06:45 GMT -6 badnews3123 said:

Would they sign Jesse James?

Probably not, at least at what the Lions paid for him since they were in need of a TE at the time and I don't think they pursued him (but we'll never know for sure). I do think Allen was a better talent at the time that they traded for him, but I don't think he ever got healthy after that trade.