I'd feel a lot better about holding the #1 pick if the top two QB's weren't from Ohio State and Alabama. Neither team has a very good history of producing quality NFL caliber QB's. I would much rather have a kid from a tier 2 school that is the reason that team is winning (see Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert) instead of someone that is surrounded by 5-star talent at every position on the field and gets to throw to wide open receivers all year long.
Regardless, a QB with the higher pick and then nothing but defense for the remainder of the draft.
Is there a school that has produced multiple good QB’s in recent memory?
You list Mahomes, forever no one touched Texas Tech QB’s because it was all the system. LSU QB’s before Burrow? Herbert had a ton of questions due to the system he played in. Aaron Rodgers fell in large part because everyone thought Jeff Tedford QB’s couldn’t play outside the system.
Post by Blaming Brad on Nov 1, 2022 7:53:43 GMT -6
Yeah it's foolish to base a pick on a school's past history of that position. However with that said, it does seem like more recent drafts have favored the second tier guys (Mahomes, Josh Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Watson, Hurts, etc). So given that and potentially 5 top tier QBs available next year, perhaps not having a top 2 pick wouldn't be the worst thing. I'm starting to really warm up to Hooker and I could see him being that guy that shoots up draft boards in April and ends up being the #1 pick.
It's a little too early for the youtube scouting reports to come out. Qb and corner should be high in the list. Argument could also be made for anywhere on the defense with any of those picks.
I thought Zappe was the steal of the QB class last year despite his lack of arm strength. You can't dispute the production.
Yeah it's foolish to base a pick on a school's past history of that position. However with that said, it does seem like more recent drafts have favored the second tier guys (Mahomes, Josh Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Watson, Hurts, etc). So given that and potentially 5 top tier QBs available next year, perhaps not having a top 2 pick wouldn't be the worst thing. I'm starting to really warm up to Hooker and I could see him being that guy that shoots up draft boards in April and ends up being the #1 pick.
I think calling guys that were top 10 picks second tier might be a bit of a stretch, especially considering a different year and those guys might have been the 1st one taken, but I’m with you on Hooker. That Bama game was impressive. Excited to see him go against Georgia this weekend.
Yeah it's foolish to base a pick on a school's past history of that position. However with that said, it does seem like more recent drafts have favored the second tier guys (Mahomes, Josh Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Watson, Hurts, etc). So given that and potentially 5 top tier QBs available next year, perhaps not having a top 2 pick wouldn't be the worst thing. I'm starting to really warm up to Hooker and I could see him being that guy that shoots up draft boards in April and ends up being the #1 pick.
I think calling guys that were top 10 picks second tier might be a bit of a stretch, especially considering a different year and those guys might have been the 1st one taken, but I’m with you on Hooker. That Bama game was impressive. Excited to see him go against Georgia this weekend.
Fair enough. My only point was that the guys the consensus thinks are the top guys in a given year more often then not end up not being the top guys.
Biggest issue with Hooker might be his age. Dude will be 25 by the time the draft rolls around. He's already older than Herbert, Jackson, Tua, Murray, Lawrence and just behind Allen, Burrow and Mahomes.
I think calling guys that were top 10 picks second tier might be a bit of a stretch, especially considering a different year and those guys might have been the 1st one taken, but I’m with you on Hooker. That Bama game was impressive. Excited to see him go against Georgia this weekend.
Fair enough. My only point was that the guys the consensus thinks are the top guys in a given year more often then not end up not being the top guys.
Biggest issue with Hooker might be his age. Dude will be 25 by the time the draft rolls around. He's already older than Herbert, Jackson, Tua, Murray, Lawrence and just behind Allen, Burrow and Mahomes.
I think who the top guy is more fluid than people think, see Trubisky. I also think the situation you go into is a big factor. Some of those guys went into much more stable situations than the top guys, see Lawerence.
I don’t worry about age with a QB. If he ends up being a good QB and hes 25, you’re going to get 10 years out of him vs 12? Don’t think anyone will care that much if that’s the case.
I don’t worry about age with a QB. If he ends up being a good QB and hes 25, you’re going to get 10 years out of him vs 12? Don’t think anyone will care that much if that’s the case.
I agree from that perspective (although with Hooker it's probably more like 10 years versus 14). Just think if he's already that old when he's a rookie, he might already be more developed/mature than a typical rookie QB would be which could limit his upside if there is less room to grow.
I don’t worry about age with a QB. If he ends up being a good QB and hes 25, you’re going to get 10 years out of him vs 12? Don’t think anyone will care that much if that’s the case.
I agree from that perspective (although with Hooker it's probably more like 10 years versus 14). Just think if he's already that old when he's a rookie, he might already be more developed/mature than a typical rookie QB would be which could limit his upside if there is less room to grow.
That’s fair, though I think age isn’t necessarily indicative of a ceiling. You’v seen the clear growth just by him moving from VT to Tennessee.
I don't think anyone thought that when they were predicting a top 5 pick that it could be the Rams pick.
100%
If anyone would have told me at the start of the season we would be heading into Thanksgiving with an outside shot at the playoffs (cue Jim Mora..."PLAYOFFS??"), and still have the potential for a top 5 pick, I'd have said you were a kool-aid drinking fool!
The beauty of all of this is even if it all comes back in line with expectations, and the Lions only win two more games, we are then looking at two picks in the top 10-15, with our young team getting a ton of experience. As many times as I've been burned by this franchise over the past 40+ years I've been paying attention, it is difficult not to be optimistic about the way things are headed right now.
I don't think anyone thought that when they were predicting a top 5 pick that it could be the Rams pick.
100%
If anyone would have told me at the start of the season we would be heading into Thanksgiving with an outside shot at the playoffs (cue Jim Mora..."PLAYOFFS??"), and still have the potential for a top 5 pick, I'd have said you were a kool-aid drinking fool!
The beauty of all of this is even if it all comes back in line with expectations, and the Lions only win two more games, we are then looking at two picks in the top 10-15, with our young team getting a ton of experience. As many times as I've been burned by this franchise over the past 40+ years I've been paying attention, it is difficult not to be optimistic about the way things are headed right now.
You have to admit, for the most part Holmes has been drafting well which in encouraging. The only critique I have is the injuries.
If anyone would have told me at the start of the season we would be heading into Thanksgiving with an outside shot at the playoffs (cue Jim Mora..."PLAYOFFS??"), and still have the potential for a top 5 pick, I'd have said you were a kool-aid drinking fool!
The beauty of all of this is even if it all comes back in line with expectations, and the Lions only win two more games, we are then looking at two picks in the top 10-15, with our young team getting a ton of experience. As many times as I've been burned by this franchise over the past 40+ years I've been paying attention, it is difficult not to be optimistic about the way things are headed right now.
You have to admit, for the most part Holmes has been drafting well which in encouraging. The only critique I have is the injuries.
Agreed that taking risks on guys that have had major injuries in college can be, well, risky. However, as long as Holmes keeps hitting on 2-3 players each draft that can contribute, this is a significant improvement over just about every other Lions regime I can remember. It is certainly better than taking 5th and 6th round talent in the 2nd round because the head coach/GM think they're smarter than everyone else in the league (cough, cough...Patricia/Quinn).
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Post by Blaming Brad on Nov 22, 2022 10:56:51 GMT -6
Holmes has seemingly drafted well, but you can't really come to any conclusion on that after only 2 drafts and not even 2 seasons removed from any of them. The knock on Holmes to this point should be the free agent signings. Maybe also the contract extensions, but I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt and call the injuries bad luck.
Holmes has seemingly drafted well, but you can't really come to any conclusion on that after only 2 drafts and not even 2 seasons removed from any of them. The knock on Holmes to this point should be the free agent signings. Maybe also the contract extensions, but I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt and call the injuries bad luck.
I actually like the way Holmes has handled free agency. He has had to manage cap hell for two seasons, and has wisely brought in a bunch of guys on 1-year "show-me" contracts, which I think is the smart move. He hasn't shot for the moon early in the process dropping any huge, anchor-type contracts on the team, and has set himself up to have money to spend now that we are competitive. I'm not saying he has hit any homeruns in free agency, but he hasn't done any damage either (unlike prior regimes with big-ticket busts).
Holmes has seemingly drafted well, but you can't really come to any conclusion on that after only 2 drafts and not even 2 seasons removed from any of them. The knock on Holmes to this point should be the free agent signings. Maybe also the contract extensions, but I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt and call the injuries bad luck.
I actually like the way Holmes has handled free agency. He has had to manage cap hell for two seasons, and has wisely brought in a bunch of guys on 1-year "show-me" contracts, which I think is the smart move. He hasn't shot for the moon early in the process dropping any huge, anchor-type contracts on the team, and has set himself up to have money to spend now that we are competitive. I'm not saying he has hit any homeruns in free agency, but he hasn't done any damage either (unlike prior regimes with big-ticket busts).
yeah, what icloud said....no real issues in FA to me...
I actually like the way Holmes has handled free agency. He has had to manage cap hell for two seasons, and has wisely brought in a bunch of guys on 1-year "show-me" contracts, which I think is the smart move. He hasn't shot for the moon early in the process dropping any huge, anchor-type contracts on the team, and has set himself up to have money to spend now that we are competitive. I'm not saying he has hit any homeruns in free agency, but he hasn't done any damage either (unlike prior regimes with big-ticket busts).
yeah, what icloud said....no real issues in FA to me...
I don't have a problem with his FA philosophy of not making a big splash at this point in the rebuild, but really, of the guys he's signed, how many have made an impact? I mean, you've got Jamaal Williams obviously. Charles Harris seemed like a good one last year but this year not so much. I like the Cominsky signing and Buggs has been a nice low-end veteran type guy. Other than that, seems like a lot of flops. And that's without mentioning how he completely botched the kicker situation 2 years in a row.