I would have to say that trading down is the smart move provided the proceeds of the trade are "earth shattering". And that depends on whether Tua is still there and Burrow and Young go 1 and 2...Can't just make a trade to make a trade and pick up a couple more picks. Were talking "Blockbuster"..We have seen enough namby pamby we get bambi trades. If Miami wants Tua they can cough up all 3 first round picks and a second. Throw in Josh Rosen and a 3rd round pick and they get #3 and Slay...So we get 5 picks and Josh Rosen...who could be a very good backup. That's what I would be willing to do to give up the #3 (Tua) pick. Come get it, otherwise we draft Tua, sign DJ Reader and a couple of other DL pieces in FA, Maybe a Transitional DB..Check tires on Funchess..He is from here, maybe he would sign here. Then Play the draft out and pray for less injuries this year. Time to make bold moves....Enough of this fiddling around the edges. Driskell looks Mike McMahonish to me. Great Athlete....Questionable throws into coverage under duress...That scared me.
I think trading down and addressing needs is the way to go
Takes two to tango, I would be pissed if the Lions traded down and only got an additional 3rd or worse. The only way a trade down makes sense is if they can acquire more top 50 overall picks and can still grab a player they have on their top 5 picks. If they can't get that, then trading down is dumb.
you don't use a #3 OA pick because your scared you're better option is going to get hurt. I would be pissed if the Lions were that scared. Drafting a QB that high in this year's draft would be the most Lions-like thing they could do.
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I think trading down and addressing needs is the way to go
Takes two to tango, I would be pissed if the Lions traded down and only got an additional 3rd or worse. The only way a trade down makes sense is if they can acquire more top 50 overall picks and can still grab a player they have on their top 5 picks. If they can't get that, then trading down is dumb.
Former Nice Guy,
If they only got another 3rd that would suck and I'd say F'em until next year! But nobody is that dumb (I HOPE)
That said in all honesty both Burrow and Tua will probably be gone by our #3 pick, because obviously both Cincy and The Skins need a QB. So Chase Young would probably drop, but if the Giants or Panthers who both need D help want Chase (particularly the Giants, who pick #4 in which we lose no options) And if they gave up another second and third, we could take Okudah and have 2 second round and third round picks. Not as good as a scenario then if Tua drops, but I guess we'll see.
If no offers come, Okudah and Chase are the best options but I think this is a trade down situation, because we also need a RT and Becton is a haas. Or Wirfs
you don't use a #3 OA pick because your scared you're better option is going to get hurt. I would be pissed if the Lions were that scared. Drafting a QB that high in this year's draft would be the most Lions-like thing they could do.
I guess I would have to put myself in Quinns boots. If nobody wants to cough up the picks for Tua..Take him...It's not like Okudah/Simmons/etc is going to save the franchise. Clearly, Clearly..the pick would have to be Chase Young if he is there, which means Tua is already gone. But Tua is advertised as the next Mahomes...I guess that's debatable. Let some foolish franchise sell the farm for Tua...Stafford may play another 3-4 years injury free or he may play 3-4 downs and break his back again...That is a risk that has to be taken into account. He missed the whole 2nd half of the last season. It's not about fear..it's about logic. Had Tua not gotten injured, would he have been the overall #1 pick?. If, Dog...Rabbit.
Where do you guys find these websites? That’s like the random guy at the gas station comparing him to Mahomes.
Had to retire, not a lot to do....It just happens. But, the guys at the gas station have around the same success level as Some of the draft pundits. Mel Kiper etc. I'll never get over Mel Kiper proclaiming vociferously the talent and skill of Joey Harrington and Mike Williams....
Where do you guys find these websites? That’s like the random guy at the gas station comparing him to Mahomes.
Had to retire, not a lot to do....It just happens. But, the guys at the gas station have around the same success level as Some of the draft pundits. Mel Kiper etc. I'll never get over Mel Kiper proclaiming vociferously the talent and skill of Joey Harrington and Mike Williams....
Had to retire, not a lot to do....It just happens. But, the guys at the gas station have around the same success level as Some of the draft pundits. Mel Kiper etc. I'll never get over Mel Kiper proclaiming vociferously the talent and skill of Joey Harrington and Mike Williams....
Post by badnews3123 on Mar 9, 2020 19:04:51 GMT -6
I don’t get what you’re showing with any of those articles. Mahomes is referenced once and it’s only about the fact he sat for a year behind Alex Smith and situation would be similar in Detroit.
Post by Blaming Brad on Mar 9, 2020 20:26:57 GMT -6
I think the comparison to Mahomes is fair if you're just basing it on college. Obviously no one knew Mahomes would be this good or he would have been drafted ahead of Trubisky. The Brunell comparison makes a little bit of sense but not sure how much of that has to do with him being left-handed. I think it was Greg Cosell who compared him to Russell Wilson.
I think the comparison to Mahomes is fair if you're just basing it on college. Obviously no one knew Mahomes would be this good or he would have been drafted ahead of Trubisky. The Brunell comparison makes a little bit of sense but not sure how much of that has to do with him being left-handed. I think it was Greg Cosell who compared him to Russell Wilson.
I don’t get the “just basing it off college”? Tua was at a top college program and a Heisman runner up. Mahomes came from a system that puts up huge numbers, but hadn’t produced success at the NFL level and had unreal physical tools. Their college careers were very different.
The left handed thing makes sense with Brunell, I’m surprised there hasn’t been more Steve Young comps, but I think the other part is the injury issues with Brunell and Tua. I think Wilson comps are fair because of size, but I’m not sure he’s got the same kind of arm strength or pocket presence Russ does. Obviously room to grow there.
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I think the comparison to Mahomes is fair if you're just basing it on college. Obviously no one knew Mahomes would be this good or he would have been drafted ahead of Trubisky. The Brunell comparison makes a little bit of sense but not sure how much of that has to do with him being left-handed. I think it was Greg Cosell who compared him to Russell Wilson.
I don’t get the “just basing it off college”? Tua was at a top college program and a Heisman runner up. Mahomes came from a system that puts up huge numbers, but hadn’t produced success at the NFL level and had unreal physical tools. Their college careers were very different.
The left handed thing makes sense with Brunell, I’m surprised there hasn’t been more Steve Young comps, but I think the other part is the injury issues with Brunell and Tua. I think Wilson comps are fair because of size, but I’m not sure he’s got the same kind of arm strength or pocket presence Russ does. Obviously room to grow there.
I didn't take the "Next Patrick Mahomes" to literally mean a Patrick Mahomes Clone..More as to the next young dual talent QB. Lamar Jackson could have been the comparison as well. Not that Tua's skills match either Mahomes or Jackson. But I did read that one obscure report from a very obscure website and came away amused. Tua is a talented guy. But it's safe to say he has his own lane that he is in. A baseball analogy I heard growing up was the "Next Mickey Mantle"...And most always those players never resembled Mantle other than Home run hitting power. Let's put it this way. I am pleased as punch if Chase Young falls to the Lions. That would mean somebody really was in Love with Tua and cut a deal with Washington...Otherwise it gets very complicated. I was also amused at the Mel Kiper link where he is prodding the lions to pick another QB at #3. The last time it was Joey Harrington...So that's kind of scary..Definition of insanity kind of scenario.
Post by badnews3123 on Mar 10, 2020 9:44:37 GMT -6
I don’t think of Tua as really a dual threat guy. He can run a little bit, but that’s never really been a big part of his game. He’s more just evasive in the pocket and can buy time.
I don’t think of Tua as really a dual threat guy. He can run a little bit, but that’s never really been a big part of his game. He’s more just evasive in the pocket and can buy time.
I agree, and I think that's why he draws comparisons to Mahomes and Wilson. They are not really dual threat guys either, but can move around in the pocket and even run for that first down when nothing is there but they will always look to pass first.
I don’t think of Tua as really a dual threat guy. He can run a little bit, but that’s never really been a big part of his game. He’s more just evasive in the pocket and can buy time.
I agree, and I think that's why he draws comparisons to Mahomes and Wilson. They are not really dual threat guys either, but can move around in the pocket and even run for that first down when nothing is there but they will always look to pass first.
I get Wilson, especially with being shorter for a QB. But that is probably the only thing Tua has in common with Mahomes so that’s a bad comp. Especially when there’s probably 10 QB’s in the league today with that ability, never mind past QB’s.
But that is probably the only thing Tua has in common with Mahomes so that’s a bad comp.
I know you don't agree but Tua's pocket presence reminds me of Mahomes. Mahomes has a better arm, but Tua throws a better deep ball. They both also make boneheaded throws due to their confidence.
Post by badnews3123 on Mar 10, 2020 12:36:02 GMT -6
I think you’re much better off with the Wilson comparison. Mahomes is a big stretch and they have really different skill sets.
I actually don’t see the risky throws with Tua. That’s one of my concerns with him. Can he make those tough throws at the NFL level. He basically played with 4 first round WR’s and an elite OL and so often he was throwing to guys with so much green around them. I have similar concerns with Burrow.
I think Burrow and Tua are really good QB prospects. Just seeing way too many crazy comps and words like “generational” being used a little too freely.
I think Burrow and Tua are really good QB prospects. Just seeing way too many crazy comps and words like “generational” being used a little too freely.
Talent-wise, I do think Tua is a generational prospect and a better prospect than Burrow, but I also think there are enough red flags with the injuries and top notch talent around him to have reservations so he is a high-risk high reward player. My feeling at this point in my life after 35+ years of zero results is that if there is even a 10% chance Tua is a generational talent than I’m willing to take that chance because this team isn’t going anywhere otherwise.
I think Burrow and Tua are really good QB prospects. Just seeing way too many crazy comps and words like “generational” being used a little too freely.
Talent-wise, I do think Tua is a generational prospect and a better prospect than Burrow, but I also think there are enough red flags with the injuries and top notch talent around him to have reservations so he is a high-risk high reward player. My feeling at this point in my life after 35+ years of zero results is that if there is even a 10% chance Tua is a generational talent than I’m willing to take that chance because this team isn’t going anywhere otherwise.
Well good news for Lions. If he is that generational talent like you think the Lions have a really good chance of ending up with a generational defensive player in Young or a haul of picks when teams start calling if Skins take Young.
I don't see a lot of discussion regarding Glasgow. Appears the Lions have a replacement already on the roster who is as good or better. Glasgow has been tough and durable and pretty good wherever he has played. So good he will command more money than the lions are willing to pay for that position and Glasgow's talent level. As a diehard lion fan I personally am sad to see him go.
Well good news for Lions. If he is that generational talent like you think the Lions have a really good chance of ending up with a generational defensive player in Young or a haul of picks when teams start calling if Skins take Young.
And to be clear I would rather have Young than Tua but I think a lot has to fall into place for Young to be available. Also not opposed to a trade down if Young is gone.